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Henry's pond

  

by: oldtomblood

Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 13:29:54 PM EDT


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Mad, this is your game so I should first ask how you know the inner workings of Thoreau's mind, from my meager understanding of the man and his thinking I would say that he was about as rabid as a radical transcendental revolutionist can be. If he had his way our entire world would be turned on its ear, all the social niceties and shallow petty fashions would be out the window.

If Henry had his way the fabric of our culture would be torn to shreds and shown to be the mean spirited, narrow thinking, war making, social climbing, backbiting, money worshiping, culture that it is and we would quit groveling at the feet of the rich and powerful.

oldtomblood :: Henry's pond
If we lived in Henry's world we would spend our time refreshing ourselves with natures wonders and admire the tiniest leaf or bug as much as or more than the tallest building. A simple walk in the woods evoking a reverence beyond the abilities of any Cathedral, when Henry was dying he was asked if he had made his peace with God he answered "I didn't know that we had argued."

Henry was against American involvements in Mexico because he didn't think stealing other peoples land just because you could was a moral thing to do. When he wrote in defense of John Brown before he was hanged it was so potent that I'm getting chills from thinking about it.

I consider this guy to be the most honest, thoughtful writer America has produced.  Because he wasn't popular once remarking "I have a library with a thousand books 950 of which I wrote myself" he was free to follow his own drummer and really think for himself in an almost wildly intense way.

One of the chapters in Walden where he says what he hoped to accomplish from the experience of retreating to the pond is just dynamite, a bracing slap in the face of honesty speaking its mind that should be emulated by those who are inspired by it.

He wanted to know what was true about life and stop simply guessing or taking peoples word for it, was it good or was it bad and he was willing to face it standing up if he could just get some solid answers to his questions. So he sat there and thought things through from the ground up with humility, a quick wit and a fervent desire to find the answers, was life mean and low or was life a sacred miracle?

Scott Peck talks about this in "The Road Less Traveled" not many people actually take the time to think things through; it requires too much time and effort so they march to the loudest drummer and just join in with what everybody else thinks, that's good enough for them.

What they gain in acceptance from the group they lose in not becoming truly themselves kind of like giving up authentic life for artificial life. If people have not taken the time to think for themselves they have the disadvantage of not being authentic.

Because most of their values are not solidly based but merely an opinion they have heard somewhere and repeat as if it were their own they are like actors who rely on a script that others have written. We are more comfortable when we can be ourselves everyone feels that way but we can only be ourselves if we first know ourselves.

This is brought to you by the go sit by the pond and dream a dream take the road less traveled to self realization unmilitant brigade.

Further Adventures of Henry

A contemporary review...

   "The economical details and calculations in this book are more curious than useful; for the author's life in the woods was on too narrow a scale to find imitators. But ... he says so many pithy and brilliant things, and offers so many piquant, and, we may add, so many just, comments on society as it is, that this book is well worth the reading, both for its actual contents and its suggestive capacity."  
   - A.P. Peabody, North American Review, 1854

100 years later...

   "Thoreau, very likely without quite knowing what he was up to, took man's relation to nature and man's dilemma in society and man's capacity for elevating his spirit and he beat all these matters together, in a wild free interval of self-justification and delight, and produced an original omelette from which people can draw nourishment in a hungry day."
   - E.B. White, The Yale Review, 1954

From Chapter 2 of Walden, "Where I Lived, and What I Lived For"

   [21]    Shams and delusions are esteemed for soundest truths, while reality is fabulous. If men would steadily observe realities only, and not allow themselves to be deluded, life, to compare it with such things as we know, would be like a fairy tale and the Arabian Nights' Entertainments. If we respected only what is inevitable and has a right to be, music and poetry would resound along the streets. When we are unhurried and wise, we perceive that only great and worthy things have any permanent and absolute existence, that petty fears and petty pleasures are but the shadow of the reality. This is always exhilarating and sublime. By closing the eyes and slumbering, and consenting to be deceived by shows, men establish and confirm their daily life of routine and habit everywhere, which still is built on purely illusory foundations.

   We must learn to reawaken and keep ourselves awake, not by mechanical aids, but by an infinite expectation of the dawn, which does not forsake us in our soundest sleep. I know of no more encouraging fact than the unquestionable ability of man to elevate his life by a conscious endeavor.

   [16]    I went to the woods because I wished to live deliberately, to front only the essential facts of life, and see if I could not learn what it had to teach, and not, when I came to die, discover that I had not lived. I did not wish to live what was not life, living is so dear; nor did I wish to practise resignation, unless it was quite necessary. I wanted to live deep and suck out all the marrow of life, to live so sturdily and Spartan-like as to put to rout all that was not life, to cut a broad swath and shave close, to drive life into a corner, and reduce it to its lowest terms, and, if it proved to be mean, why then to get the whole and genuine meanness of it, and publish its meanness to the world; or if it were sublime, to know it by experience, and be able to give a true account of it in my next excursion.

   [17]    Still we live meanly, like ants; though the fable tells us that we were long ago changed into men; like pygmies we fight with cranes; it is error upon error, and clout upon clout, and our best virtue has for its occasion a superfluous and evitable wretchedness. Our life is frittered away by detail. An honest man has hardly need to count more than his ten fingers, or in extreme cases he may add his ten toes, and lump the rest. Simplicity, simplicity, simplicity! I say, let your affairs be as two or three, and not a hundred or a thousand; instead of a million count half a dozen, and keep your accounts on your thumb-nail. In the midst of this chopping sea of civilized life, such are the clouds and storms and quicksands and thousand-and-one items to be allowed for, that a man has to live, if he would not founder and go to the bottom and not make his port at all, by dead reckoning, and he must be a great calculator indeed who succeeds. Simplify, simplify.

   Hardly a man takes a half-hour's nap after dinner, but when he wakes he holds up his head and asks, "What's the news?" as if the rest of mankind had stood his sentinels. Some give directions to be waked every half-hour, doubtless for no other purpose; and then, to pay for it, they tell what they have dreamed. After a night's sleep the news is as indispensable as the breakfast. "Pray tell me anything new that has happened to a man anywhere on this globe" - and he reads it over his coffee and rolls, that a man has had his eyes gouged out this morning on the Wachito River;(22) never dreaming the while that he lives in the dark unfathomed mammoth cave of this world, and has but the rudiment of an eye himself.

   [22]    Let us spend one day as deliberately as Nature, and not be thrown off the track by every nutshell and mosquito's wing that falls on the rails. Let us rise early and fast, or break fast, gently and without perturbation; let company come and let company go, let the bells ring and the children cry - determined to make a day of it. Why should we knock under and go with the stream? Let us not be upset and overwhelmed in that terrible rapid and whirlpool called a dinner, situated in the meridian shallows. Weather this danger and you are safe, for the rest of the way is down hill. With unrelaxed nerves, with morning vigor, sail by it, looking another way, tied to the mast like Ulysses.(26) If the engine whistles, let it whistle till it is hoarse for its pains. If the bell rings, why should we run? We will consider what kind of music they are like. Let us settle ourselves, and work and wedge our feet downward through the mud and slush of opinion, and prejudice, and tradition, and delusion, and appearance, that alluvion which covers the globe, through Paris and London, through New York and Boston and Concord, through Church and State, through poetry and philosophy and religion, till we come to a hard bottom and rocks in place, which we can call reality, and say, This is, and no mistake; and then begin, having a point d'appui,(27) below freshet and frost and fire, a place where you might found a wall or a state, or set a lamp-post safely, or perhaps a gauge, not a Nilometer,(28) but a Realometer, that future ages might know how deep a freshet of shams and appearances had gathered from time to time. If you stand right fronting and face to face to a fact, you will see the sun glimmer on both its surfaces, as if it were a cimeter,(29) and feel its sweet edge dividing you through the heart and marrow, and so you will happily conclude your mortal career. Be it life or death, we crave only reality. If we are really dying, let us hear the rattle in our throats and feel cold in the extremities; if we are alive, let us go about our business.

   [23]    Time is but the stream I go a-fishing in. I drink at it; but while I drink I see the sandy bottom and detect how shallow it is. Its thin current slides away, but eternity remains. I would drink deeper; fish in the sky, whose bottom is pebbly with stars. I cannot count one. I know not the first letter of the alphabet. I have always been regretting that I was not as wise as the day I was born. The intellect is a cleaver; it discerns and rifts its way into the secret of things. I do not wish to be any more busy with my hands than is necessary. My head is hands and feet. I feel all my best faculties concentrated in it. My instinct tells me that my head is an organ for burrowing, as some creatures use their snout and fore paws, and with it I would mine and burrow my way through these hills. I think that the richest vein is somewhere hereabouts; so by the divining-rod and thin rising vapors I judge; and here I will begin to mine.

"the world is full of admirable craftsmen but so few practical dreamers" Man Ray


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brilliant, oldbloodtom! (15.00 / 7)
tips for Henry
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How does it become a man to behave towards the American government today? I answer, that he cannot without disgrace be associated with it. ~ Henry


It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Thoreau ... and, do no harm

tips for Henry (15.00 / 7)
Tips for Henry yeah, every time I think of what he wrote about John Brown the hair on my arms comes to attention, I don't think I have ever heard anyone else speak so passionately about something, Henry's sense of justice is an unparalleled marvel.

"the world is full of admirable craftsmen but so few practical dreamers" Man Ray

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thank you for this (14.50 / 4)
Henry is one of my (very few) heros.

i read somewhere that his journals were being used as evidence of global warming.
because he wrote everyday & noted the things in nature he saw... feb.27-the violets bloomed.. or whatever. & that the scientists then searched for other journals to corroborate... farmwives journals suddenly became very important. they too wrote down the little things- what day the wild strawberrys flowered, when the first bluebird appeared... things of the natural world that we can compare & contrast to todays events.
anyway....
i just thought it was ver cool.


"Indeed, if a poor man will spend a year in prison for stealing out of hunger,
how high would the gallows need to be to hang the rich man?"
~The Patrician in 'Snuff' by Terry Pratchett



my hero (14.00 / 5)

Boy, I have a lot to catch up on, I just sat down to respond to your thoughtful comment on the Henny Penny piece when I saw this, I gota learn to type faster. One of the things that really struck me when reading Henry's stuff, more so than anyone else I guess is that I feel like I'm hanging out with him in a very personal and familiar way. He is so open with his thoughts that it is easy to know him probably better than people we actually know.

And the fact that he is not in the least stuffy, his thinking is a breath of fresh air and he continually brings up things that are so obvious but remain under the radar of the rest of us because we're more conventional thinkers than he is, what a hoot. He is so generous with his thoughts that I have come to see him as a loveable nut and talk about defensive, being an outcast was hard on him and it shows but it sure led to a magnificent life, he is my hero as well.  

"the world is full of admirable craftsmen but so few practical dreamers" Man Ray


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Erm...I have GOT to (15.00 / 4)
get some sleep.

Am second to none in my love for Thoreau, btw.

But I think one can love every leaf and every bug and still love high-rises and subways and super-fast trains.

Much the same way I love Baroque music, and Beethoven, and jazz, and the Second Wave of the British Invasion, and Antonin Dvorak, all at once.  Not to mention "Pictures at an Exhibition" and "Bolero."

English usage is sometimes more than mere taste, judgment and education - sometimes it's sheer luck, like getting across the street.
E. B. White  


for when ya wake up, Youff (14.75 / 4)


It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Thoreau ... and, do no harm

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Thanks, newp! (11.00 / 3)
So sweet of you!  Missed it this a.m. -- kinda overslept.

Oh:  NPR news just reported something about hurricanes...I missed the important part -- like, where they are -- but hope the tropical storms/potential hurricanes miss your island!

English usage is sometimes more than mere taste, judgment and education - sometimes it's sheer luck, like getting across the street.
E. B. White  


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we're keeping (11.00 / 2)
our fingers and toes crossed! looks like Earl will just miss us to the north, but we'll still have to deal with the tropical force winds and rain. no biggie  :o/ juan already let me know he's gonna lock himself in his room - he's sure I'll have ALL the animals inside the house! already the bunnies are out of the barn and into the cat's room (our spare bedroom), and the kitties are NOT pleased at all!!

It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Thoreau ... and, do no harm

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On Walden Pond (15.00 / 4)
I have spent many hours on the shores of Walden Pond, rereading Thoreau. I was fortunate to have found and read a copy of Walden and other collected works when I was about thirteen or fourteen years old. To whatever extent I am an original thinker, or I have the courage to speak my convictions, or I appreciate the natural world around me, I have him to thank for it. He is my Hero of the First Order, the first figure of my adolescence that truly seemed to be the embodiment of heroism - its very definition for me.

You have chosen important passages well, oldtomblood, and I thank you for the opportunity to reread these yet again. As I pass through the phases of life his writing gains new shades of meaning, but the underlying strength of his character and the beauty and straightforwardness of his thoughts remain unchanged.

Here are a few favorites of mine from Life without Principle:


...
If a man walk in the woods for love of them half of each day, he is in danger of being regarded as a loafer; but if he spends his whole day as a speculator, shearing off those woods and making earth bald before her time, he is esteemed an industrious and enterprising citizen. As if a town had no interest in its forests but to cut them down!
...
God gave the righteous man a certificate entitling him to food and raiment, but the unrighteous man found a facsimile of the same in God's coffers, and appropriated it, and obtained food and raiment like the former. It is one of the most extensive systems of counterfeiting that the world has seen. I did not know that mankind were suffering for want of gold. I have seen a little of it. I know that it is very malleable, but not so malleable as wit. A grain of gold will gild a great surface, but not so much as a grain of wisdom.
...
It requires more than a day's devotion to know and to possess the wealth of a day.
...
I believe that the mind can be permanently profaned by the habit of attending to trivial things, so that all our thoughts shall be tinged with triviality. Our very intellect shall be macadamized, as it were, - its foundation broken into fragments for the wheels of travel to roll over; and if you would know what will make the most durable pavement, surpassing rolled stones, spruce blocks, and asphaltum, you have only to look into some of our minds which have been subjected to this treatment so long.
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We should treat our minds, that is, ourselves, as innocent and ingenuous children, whose guardians we are, and be careful what objects and what subjects we thrust on their attention. Read not the Times. Read the Eternities.
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as a snow-drift is formed where there is a lull in the wind, so, one would say, where there is a lull of truth, an institution springs up. But the truth blows right on over it, nevertheless, and at length blows it down.
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Politics is, as it were, the gizzard of society, full of grit and gravel, and the two political parties are its two opposite halves, - sometimes split into quarters, it may be, which grind on each other. Not only individuals, but states, have thus a confirmed dyspepsia, which expresses itself, you can imagine by what sort of eloquence. Thus our life is not altogether a forgetting, but also, alas! to a great extent, a remembering, of that which we should never have been conscious of, certainly not in our waking hours. Why should we not meet, not always as dyspeptics, to tell our bad dreams, but sometimes as eupeptics, to congratulate each other on the ever-glorious morning? I do not make an exorbitant demand, surely.


"In proportion to the vigor of the individual, these revolutions are frequent, until in some happier mind they are incessant..." R.W.Emerson - Compensation

beautiful, irev (15.00 / 4)
we've shared the shores of Walden Pond, and for my countless hours there, I believe in my heart that I'm a better person. your words, too, hit me in the heart so I thank you, and oldtomblood for this beautiful essay.

I was seated by the shore of a small pond, about a mile and a half south of the village of Concord and somewhat higher than it, in the midst of an extensive wood between that town and Lincoln, and about two miles south of that our only field known to fame, Concord Battle Ground; but I was so low in the woods that the opposite shore, half a mile off, like the rest, covered with wood, was my most distant horizon. For the first week, whenever I looked out on the pond it impressed me like a tarn high up on the side of a mountain, its bottom far above the surface of other lakes, and, as the sun arose, I saw it throwing off its nightly clothing of mist, and here and there, by degrees, its soft ripples or its smooth reflecting surface was revealed, while the mists, like ghosts, were stealthily withdrawing in every direction into the woods, as at the breaking up of some nocturnal conventicle. The very dew seemed to hang upon the trees later into the day than usual, as on the sides of mountains. ~ Where I Lived, and What I Lived for [10]


It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Thoreau ... and, do no harm

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yet again (15.00 / 3)
we find common ground, newpioneer...
Thoreau will forever be a part of me, one which I will revisit again and again. There is however, one tragic flaw that I find in his body of work. He never seems to have found, or at least never explicitly wrote about as far I know, the solution for community. Time and again he extolls the many and true virtues of solitude, individualism, and nature. His personal mysticism specifically and transcendentalism generally never seems to have succeeded in reconciling the role of community in the life of the individual. Community for Thoreau, as expressed in his writings, is a decidedly wrong-minded thing against which he contrasts the virtues of individuality.

In this way, one could almost compare him to - shudder - Rand, whose works certainly extoll the virtues of individualism as defined against society and provide no ground for acquiescence to the needs of community. This is, needless to say, troubling to me. Though I think the two bodies of work are utterly incomparable in any other way, for example it seems that Thoreau's aloneness merely benevolently excuses him from society and its conventions whereas Rand's approach is decidedly malevolent towards society, still, I wish I did not have these thoughts about the matter to contend with!

So it is that I think that all of Thoreau, as beautiful and magnificent and right-minded as it all seems, must at least once be read with an eye toward resolving the unresolved question that he leaves for us. Perhaps it was his intent all along to avoid the issue as it was inconsistent with his body of work, or perhaps because of the very ways in which he lived he was unable to resolve the issue and write about it himself, or perhaps he was an anarchist and he really did say all he wanted to about community...

Anyway, although I nearly worshipped Thoreau and Emerson, too, during adolescence and young adulthood when I needed the confirmation of my natural growth toward individual autonomy and separation from a nuclear community, I don't have quite the same unbridled adulation anymore. Don't get me wrong, I do not think that I would be half the man that I am without him or that the world could do better than to produce more men like him. But the puzzle still remains for me...

Do you think I'm missing something somewhere?

"In proportion to the vigor of the individual, these revolutions are frequent, until in some happier mind they are incessant..." R.W.Emerson - Compensation


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a dialogue, irev, (15.00 / 4)
both worthy and completely unexpected! Any opportunity to delve deeper into the heart and body of work of Thoreau is a treat, though I fear I'm completely unqualified to resolve to any satisfaction your puzzlement. All I can offer are my personal thoughts that, more likely than not, will only add to your questions!

Perhaps it was his intent all along to avoid the issue as it was inconsistent with his body of work, or perhaps because of the very ways in which he lived he was unable to resolve the issue and write about it himself, or perhaps he was an anarchist and he really did say all he wanted to about community...

For me, there's an obvious fourth choice, and perhaps your point - all of the above! You've succinctly (almost shockingly so!) delved into the long debated issues concerning Thoreau's apparent aversion to 'community' - something I can definitely relate to.

But first I'd like to attempt to relieve even a bit of your angst concerning Rand if that's even possible... and I did shudder! First, I must admit freely that her ramblings cause such a negative reaction within me that I am at a complete loss to be objective. Her praise of the ego and arrogance, 'man above all', as well as her enthusiastic support of laissez-faire capitalism and focus on wealth, are antithesis to Thoreau, IMO. I never fail to shake my head thinking of the 6-foot funeral arrangement in the shape of a dollar sign placed on her grave... how fitting! Without doubt, Greenspan was pleased at the sight. (then again, because of my lack of objectivity I may not understand Rand at all!)

To me, Thoreau's introspection, or as Emerson stated in his closing remarks in his speech, The American Thinker, "calling for a revolution in human consciousness", has little (if anything) in common with Rand's superficial individualism concerning community. And though many have concluded that the 'hermit of Walden' was a deliberate misanthrope, I agree completely with you that his views rejecting what he believed a corrupt society are at odds with Rand's, 'decidedly malevolent approach towards society'.

From his Journal, June 9-14, 1850:

Woe to him who wants a companion, for he is unfit to be the companion even of himself.
We inspire friendship in men when we have contracted friendship with the gods.
When we cease to sympathize with and to be personally related to men, and begin to be universally related, then we are capable of inspiring others with the sentiment of love for us.
We hug the earth. How rarely we mount, how rarely we climb a tree! We might elevate ourselves. That pine would make us dizzy. You can see the mountains from it as you never did before.

And from a Journal entry in 1852:

The poet says the proper study of mankind is man. I say, study to forget all that; take wider views of the universe. That is the egotism of the race... When another poet says the world is too much with us, he means, of course, that man is too much with us... In order to avoid delusions, I would fain let man go by and behold a universe in which man is but a grain of sand... I do not value any view of the universe into which man and the institutions of man enter very largely...

In the above passages, instead of a absolute rejection of community, I find a possible solution - a solution built upon humility, heart to heart bonds of friendship and love, all based on the oneness of life and the environment, vs. the superficiality, the hypocrisy and blind conformity to societal 'norms' of his day that he thoroughly abhorred - "The mass of men", was a phrase he often used - and never with a positive connotation.  -

From his Journal 12 in 1859:
The mass of men, just like savages, strive always after the outside, the clothes and finery of civilized life, the blue beads and tinsel and centre tables.

from his Journal 8 in 1856:

I have seen many a collection of stately elms which better deserve to be represented at the General Court than the manikins beneath... I find that into my idea of the village has entered more of the elm than of the human being... A fragment of their bark is worth the backs of all the politicians in the union.

and finally from his Journal 11, 1858:
The preachers and lecturers deal with men of straw, as they are men of straw themselves. Why, a free-spoken man, of sound lungs, cannot draw a long breath without causing your rotten institutions to come toppling down by the vacuum he makes. Your church is a baby-house made of blocks, and so is the state... Look at your editors of popular magazines. I have dealt with two or three the most liberal of them. They are afraid to print a whole, a free-spoken sentence. They want thirty thousand subscribers, and they will do anything to get them... One of our New England towns is sealed up hermetically like a molasses-hogshead, - such is its sweet Christianity... On the one side you will find a barroom which holds the "Scoffers", on the other a vestry where there is a monthly concert of prayer. There is just as little to cheer you in one of these companies as the other. It may be often the truth and righteousness of the barroom that saves the town. There is nothing to redeem the bigotry and moral cowardice of New Englanders in my eyes...

No doubt I have presented precious little in defense of Thoreau's concept of community building, however I also cannot discount his love of his family, and the friendship and love he expressed in so many letters, especially to the Emersons.

That said, the vast body of his work, just as you suggest, is lacking in clear and concise solutions or resolutions to the ills of society. Perhaps if he were a part of today's blogoshere, it could be said that he ranted and raged against 'the powers that be and blind, unthinking followers' in equal (or greater!) proportion to his stunningly beautiful and profound prose.

And maybe that's as it should be. I believe we must first understand the problems before we, ourselves, discover solutions. As a fierce proponent of free-thinking and self-reliance, perhaps he was equally averse to mapping a direct course lest he become what he most abhorred - a leader with blind followers.

from his Journal 9, 1856:

There sits one by the shore who wishes to go with me, but I cannot think of it... Why, I am going, not staying, I have come on purpose to sail, to paddle away from such as you... Why, if I thought you were steadily gazing after me a mile off, I could not endure it.

I'm positive that I've gone on quite enough! So, bringing this all back to Walden, just because it's so hauntingly beautiful (and revealing), from Chapter 5, Solitude ~

Yet I experienced sometimes that the most sweet and tender, the most innocent and encouraging society may be found in any natural object, even for the poor misanthrope and most melancholy man. There can be no very black melancholy to him who lives in the midst of nature and has his senses still. There was never yet such a storm but it was Aeolian music to a healthy and innocent ear. Nothing can rightly compel a simple and brave man to a vulgar sadness. While I enjoy the friendship of the seasons I trust that nothing can make life a burden to me. The gentle rain which waters my beans and keeps me in the house today is not drear and melancholy, but good for me too. Though it prevents my hoeing them, it is of far more worth than my hoeing. If it should continue so long as to cause the seeds to rot in the ground and destroy the potatoes in the low lands, it would still be good for the grass on the uplands, and, being good for the grass, it would be good for me. Sometimes, when I compare myself with other men, it seems as if I were more favored by the gods than they, beyond any deserts that I am conscious of; as if I had a warrant and surety at their hands which my fellows have not, and were especially guided and guarded. I do not flatter myself, but if it be possible they flatter me. I have never felt lonesome, or in the least oppressed by a sense of solitude, but once, and that was a few weeks after I came to the woods, when, for an hour, I doubted if the near neighborhood of man was not essential to a serene and healthy life. To be alone was something unpleasant. But I was at the same time conscious of a slight insanity in my mood, and seemed to foresee my recovery. In the midst of a gentle rain while these thoughts prevailed, I was suddenly sensible of such sweet and beneficent society in Nature, in the very pattering of the drops, and in every sound and sight around my house, an infinite and unaccountable friendliness all at once like an atmosphere sustaining me, as made the fancied advantages of human neighborhood insignificant, and I have never thought of them since. Every little pine needle expanded and swelled with sympathy and befriended me. I was so distinctly made aware of the presence of something kindred to me, even in scenes which we are accustomed to call wild and dreary, and also that the nearest of blood to me and humanest was not a person nor a villager, that I thought no place could ever be strange to me again.
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Society is commonly too cheap. We meet at very short intervals, not having had time to acquire any new value for each other. We meet at meals three times a day, and give each other a new taste of that old musty cheese that we are. We have had to agree on a certain set of rules, called etiquette and politeness, to make this frequent meeting tolerable and that we need not come to open war. We meet at the post-office, and at the sociable, and about the fireside every night; we live thick and are in each other's way, and stumble over one another, and I think that we thus lose some respect for one another. Certainly less frequency would suffice for all important and hearty communications. Consider the girls in a factory- never alone, hardly in their dreams. It would be better if there were but one inhabitant to a square mile, as where I live. The value of a man is not in his skin, that we should touch him.
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The indescribable innocence and beneficence of Nature- of sun and wind and rain, of summer and winter- such health, such cheer, they afford forever! and such sympathy have they ever with our race, that all Nature would be affected, and the sun's brightness fade, and the winds would sigh humanely, and the clouds rain tears, and the woods shed their leaves and put on mourning in midsummer, if any man should ever for a just cause grieve. Shall I not have intelligence with the earth? Am I not partly leaves and vegetable mould myself?

Completely OT - thank you for taking my mind off approaching Hurricane Earl. We're as prepared as possible, and worry does me no good at all. and if there are any glaring typos, please forgive - not much sleep around here preparing for the storm. thanks for this, irev.

It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Thoreau ... and, do no harm


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Earl and Fiona (15.00 / 3)
If it helps, my own less-than-totally-studied-up-on-it prediction is that Earl will not give you a direct hit even if it continues to stray to the west from its current forecasted track. Fortunately, it's not a monster-cane either, so although it wouldn't be exactly fun to have a direct hit, I don't think it would be devastating. Quite inconvenient, for sure, and something to be very careful about... I'm glad you are prepared.

Now, Fiona may be a different story. The long range forecast track, which almost never holds up anyway, does put Fiona as more of a threat for PR and I actually concur with that judgment at this point. Stay prepared and vigilant. For the moment, the future Fiona is going to be sucking up and plowing thru a nice load of dry dusty air, which should keep her from puffing up too quickly. I actually may have more to worry about in MS from Fiona than you do in PR, assuming she makes it to the Gulf...

I wish to savor your substantial reply to my comment and question above and will reply in full soon...  :)

"In proportion to the vigor of the individual, these revolutions are frequent, until in some happier mind they are incessant..." R.W.Emerson - Compensation


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thanks, irev (13.33 / 3)
we're just expecting the tropical bands from Earl (fingers crossed), but like you, our eyes are focused on Fiona. sorry for my 'all over the place' reply to your great comment, I'm dog tired  :o/

It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Thoreau ... and, do no harm

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Thoreau's social prescription (15.00 / 2)
As far as analysis goes, I think "All over the place" is the place to be, my friend! You have gathered from far and wide for me some of the clues I had vaguely recollected in spirit but forgotten in particular.

AND LOL, reading about your "lack of objectivity" was a crack-me-up pun-erific moment! I share both sentiments in your double entendre. Rand's "objectivism" is a fancy exaltation of sociopathic individualism and HDT's version of individualism is decidedly not malevolent, but organic.

Of particular note to me were the passages:

"...built upon humility, heart to heart bonds of friendship and love, all based on the oneness of life and the environment..."

"... I find that into my idea of the village has entered more of the elm than of the human being..."

"...perhaps he was equally averse to mapping a direct course lest he become what he most abhorred - a leader with blind followers..."

"Society is commonly too cheap...It would be better if there were but one inhabitant to a square mile...

I do believe that you have answered my question even better than I had hoped. It would be hard for me to put a finer point on it. Perhaps I could round it out and summarize.

An organic relationship with all things necessarily includes other humans. Communities would best be arranged with lots of open space and places left to natural growth. Meeting between community members should not be so difficult as to require day-long voyages, with the requisite stayovers, but at least a brisk fifteen minute walk should be required, so that relations are not stumbled over on a daily basis, but are rather to be sought out at some inconvenience, for a purpose. Further, that communities should have an organicly ordered system of governance, designed to focus more on the basic needs of individuals than on the control of groupings of community members. He leaves the details to us to work out amongst ourselves...

As to your point on his lack of explicit instruction and the observation that one must gather the pieces of thought together to make the whole, I believe your assertion is correct that he wished not to be followed. It brings to mind the Emerson quote:

"I had better never see a book, than to be warped by its attraction clean out of my own orbit, and made a satellite instead of a system. The one thing in the world, of value, is the active soul." ("The American Scholar", 1837)

Perhaps Thoreau preferred that his work be studied, as he himself studied other examples of nature.

I leave you with this interesting link I found, wherein the lecturer ends where he started, with the same question I suppose I stumbled upon: How to Change the World: Self and Society in American Transcendentalism

"In proportion to the vigor of the individual, these revolutions are frequent, until in some happier mind they are incessant..." R.W.Emerson - Compensation


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irev (11.00 / 3)
your summary is wonderful! now I'm off to read your link ~ thank you!!

It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Thoreau ... and, do no harm

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to dominate or be dominated? (15.00 / 4)

I see what you mean incessantrevolutions, (by the way do you have a nickname that is shorter to spell, would IR do for instance, you could call me OTB if you want, damn those social conventions all to hell?)

The social conventions that traditionally govern communities did seem to give Thoreau a bad taste in his mouth due to their having numerous petty rules for the organization of said communities. I'm guessing that he felt that the petty rules and conventions of polite society had a down side in the way they discouraged people from becoming individuals thinking for themselves and encouraged instead relying on the props of conformity and tradition which led to group think.

As I believe it was goinsouth mentioned recently; humans are social animals whose instincts almost demand some form of social interaction, we are by nature inclined to join the group if we are to be true to that nature and if not we are likely to become outcasts and social misfits. I think Henry was torn like many of us between wanting to be his authentic self and wanting to be accepted by society at large despite the reservations he obviously had.

Speaking of reservations Thomas Merton said something in the introduction of a book he had put together on "The Desert Fathers" those early Christians who removed themselves from society and fled to the desert that made a lot of sense to me. He said that they had gone to the wilderness to escape a culture that put everyone into one of two categories neither of which were acceptable and the choices were to dominate others or to be dominated by others.

I have found myself in comfortable surroundings at least three times in my life. First in a mental hospital when I was a teenager with depression, I actually enjoyed being locked up with a bunch of crazy teenagers who were sensitive enough to break under the strain of societal pressures rather than faking it.

Later I had the opportunity to attend Goddard College a liberal, freethinking, no grades and no tests college in the woods of Vermont with a student population of 600 who were split into two campuses of 300 each. It was 1968 and oddballs from across the country came together to do their thing and miracle of miracles I fit right in.

Then in the 90's I spent time at The Augusta Heritage Festival in Elkins W.V. teaching a class in rustic furniture making, I did this two years in row for a week each time and it was heavenly, well almost anyway. It was on the campus of the local college and one of the years it was blues week and they had big time bluesmen who taught during the day and preformed at night entertaining the students who had come to take the assorted music and craft courses offered, it was great.

These were the three times I have felt at ease and like I fit in to a community of my peers so to speak, the rest of my life has been spent being a sore thumb on the hand of a humanity I can barely comprehend, what are ya gonna do? I am however attracted to the Kibbutz style of communities though; people working together with a common purpose and with the spirit of cooperation, so that is one possible model which could be emulated in the future.

"the world is full of admirable craftsmen but so few practical dreamers" Man Ray


irev will do just fine, thanks OTB! (15.00 / 3)
I would have to say that I think you are quite lucky to have felt that you fit in that many different places and times, OTB. Not that I think you're the "sore thumb" that you describe yourself as, far from it, but that to truly feel a part of some community larger than oneself is a luxury I can't think I've had in quite a long time if ever, excepting perhaps at this blog! I guess those of us who are most drawn to HDT see our own thoughts and feelings reflected in his genius. His aloneness from society which is with-Universe is a place I have spent a great deal of time. I am a born naturalist and the only thing that really depresses me much anymore is if I can't get away to a more solitary natural location from time to for a recharge, an in-spir-ation, or breathing in of the Universe stuff that the woods and meadows and stars are made of.

I think I am lucky to have found HDT so young, as I think it probably helped keep me out of any kind of severe depression. By the way, I think anyone who is really looking at this world and what mankind has made of it has great cause to be clinically depressed, so rather than considering it a defect in a person I consider it a badge of bravery to have experienced, survived and risen through such a malaise. I appreciate your comment about feeling kinship with those who were sensitive enough to break under the societal pressures of our times. Their is truth in the idea that perhaps some of those who are considered mentally "ill" are really the most spiritually healthy of us all.

"Group think" and the "two choices" both drive me away from gatherings of most types. My friends are few and close in spirit and most often one-to-one is the favored setting. I am far too desensitized to the low pleasures of party gatherings and crowd dynamics to want to spend much time in larger groups conforming to the "petty rules and conventions of polite society". As a matter of fact, I can't hang with the rules at all anymore, at least not for very long. It takes a huge amount of psychic effort to survive the occasional business-related gatherings I feel that I must attend from time to time.

Anyway, thanks for your thoughts and for joining this community. I feel fortunate to have made your acquaintance.

"In proportion to the vigor of the individual, these revolutions are frequent, until in some happier mind they are incessant..." R.W.Emerson - Compensation


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Kierkegaard too (15.00 / 4)

I'm really enjoying the conversation and will be jumping in as soon as I have digested it more thoroughly but until then a couple of other inspiring thinker heroes have come to mind.

Interestingly Kierkegaard in Demark was a contemporary of Thoreau and being subject to similar societal influences and arriving at similar conclusions and he also seems to have been just as far outside of conventional thinking as Thoreau.

It becomes difficult to limit these guys to a quote or two so I haven't even tried there is just too much worthy brain candy.

From the mind of Soren Kierkegaard:

A man who as a physical being is always turned toward the outside, thinking that his happiness lies outside him, finally turns inward and discovers that the source is within him.

Be that self which one truly is.

Boredom is the root of all evil - the despairing refusal to be oneself.

During the first period of a man's life the greatest danger is not to take the risk.  

Face the facts of being what you are, for that is what changes what you are.  

Faith is the highest passion in a human being. Many in every generation may not come that far, but none comes further.

Far from idleness being the root of all evil, it is rather the only true good.  

God creates out of nothing. Wonderful you say. Yes, to be sure, but he does what is still more wonderful: he makes saints out of sinners.  

How absurd men are! They never use the liberties they have, they demand those they do not have. They have freedom of thought, they demand freedom of speech.  

I begin with the principle that all men are bores. Surely no one will prove himself so great a bore as to contradict me in this.

I see it all perfectly; there are two possible situations - one can either do this or that. My honest opinion and my friendly advice is this: do it or do not do it - you will regret both.  

If I am capable of grasping God objectively, I do not believe, but precisely because I cannot do this I must believe.  

Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards.

Not just in commerce but in the world of ideas too our age is putting on a veritable clearance sale. Everything can be had so dirt cheap that one begins to wonder whether in the end anyone will want to make a bid.

Our life always expresses the result of our dominant thoughts.  

Patience is necessary, and one cannot reap immediately where one has sown.

People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought which they seldom use.  

People understand me so poorly that they don't even understand my complaint about them not understanding me.

Since my earliest childhood a barb of sorrow has lodged in my heart. As long as it stays I am ironic if it is pulled out I shall die.

The highest and most beautiful things in life are not to be heard about, nor read about, nor seen but, if one will, are to be lived.

The more a man can forget, the greater the number of metamorphoses which his life can undergo; the more he can remember, the more divine his life becomes.  

The paradox is really the pathos of intellectual life and just as only great souls are exposed to passions it is only the great thinker who is exposed to what I call paradoxes, which are nothing else than grandiose thoughts in embryo.

The truth is a snare: you cannot have it, without being caught. You cannot have the truth in such a way that you catch it, but only in such a way that it catches you.  

The tyrant dies and his rule is over, the martyr dies and his rule begins.

To dare is to lose one's footing momentarily. Not to dare is to lose oneself. (permanently: my add on)

Trouble is the common denominator of living. It is the great equalizer.

What is a poet? An unhappy person who conceals profound anguish in his heart but whose lips are so formed that as sighs and cries pass over them they sound like beautiful music.



"the world is full of admirable craftsmen but so few practical dreamers" Man Ray

Krishnamurti quotes (15.00 / 3)
I seem to be attracted to books dealing with freedom such as Erich Fromm's "Escape From Freedom" and Krishnamurti's "The First and Last Freedom" along with the Bible and its assurance that the truth might set me free.

This quotes theme was inspired by the first one I have include here from Krishnamuti along with the fact that like newpioneer has theorized about Thoreau, Krishnamurti also rejected becoming the leader of any movement.

Krishnamurti had been taken under the wing of the Theosophical Society in India (Annie Bessant being one influential member) and was being groomed to become the next big thing in Guru's but he eventually opted out of that role.

From the mind of Jiddu Krishnamurti:

It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.

Hitler and Mussolini were only the primary spokesmen for the attitude of domination and craving for power that are in the heart of almost everyone. Until the source is cleared, there will always be confusion and hate, wars and class antagonisms.

There is no end to education. It is not that you read a book, pass an examination, and finish with education. The whole of life, from the moment you are born to the moment you die, is a process of learning.

The moment you have in your heart this extraordinary thing called love and feel the depth, the delight, the ecstasy of it, you will discover that for you the world is transformed.

A consistent thinker is a thoughtless person, because he conforms to a pattern; he repeats phrases and thinks in a groove.

In oneself lies the whole world and if you know how to look and learn, the door is there and the key is in your hand. Nobody on earth can give you either the key or the door to open, except yourself.

Tradition becomes our security, and when the mind is secure it is in decay.

What is needed, rather than running away or controlling or suppressing or any other resistance, is understanding fear; that means, watch it, learn about it, come directly into contact with it. We are to learn about fear, not how to escape from it.  

When we talk about understanding, surely it takes place only when the mind listens completely - the mind being your heart, your nerves, your ears- when you give your whole attention to it.  

You must understand the whole of life, not just one little part of it. That is why you must read, that is why you must look at the skies, that is why you must sing and dance, and write poems and suffer and understand, for all that is life.



"the world is full of admirable craftsmen but so few practical dreamers" Man Ray

beautiful lessons, oldtomblood (14.00 / 2)
thank you. I especially love ~

In oneself lies the whole world and if you know how to look and learn, the door is there and the key is in your hand. Nobody on earth can give you either the key or the door to open, except yourself.


It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Thoreau ... and, do no harm

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for better or for worse (10.50 / 4)
Quick note, you guys have been promoted to best friends status, for better or for worse. What a joy to have found such a common ground of a community, RiaD was right.

"the world is full of admirable craftsmen but so few practical dreamers" Man Ray

you (15.00 / 2)
don't know just how happy this makes me...

(^.^)

"Indeed, if a poor man will spend a year in prison for stealing out of hunger,
how high would the gallows need to be to hang the rich man?"
~The Patrician in 'Snuff' by Terry Pratchett



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OTB! (13.00 / 2)
my sentiments are completely mutual! it's a joy to have YOU here!!!
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It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Thoreau ... and, do no harm

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assuredly for the better! (15.00 / 3)
Thanks for sharing the Kierkegaard and the Krishnamurti. I wish I had the time right now to respond at length, but I have to do some work sometime!

I will (and I feel compelled to) take this brief moment to say how glad I am that you have graced us with your friendship.

"In proportion to the vigor of the individual, these revolutions are frequent, until in some happier mind they are incessant..." R.W.Emerson - Compensation


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