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Saturday Open Thoughts

  

by: Alma

Sat Aug 28, 2010 at 01:00:00 AM EDT


I love tigers.  I love all types of cats but I don't think I'd try and smuggle one onto a plane in my luggage hidden among stuffed animal tigers.

What the hell is wrong with people?

Happy Saturday!

Alma :: Saturday Open Thoughts

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Good morning, Alma & everyone (15.00 / 4)
Interesting story (fp, no less) in the local paper today.

New federal safeguards that officials say might have prevented the recent salmonella poisoning and massive egg recall had their genesis in research on Lancaster County egg farms 20 years ago.

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During a two-year study that began in 1990, Penn State researchers descended on poultry farms in Lancaster County, the state's top egg producer.

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In 1992, 38 percent of Pennsylvania flocks tested positive for salmonella. Today, about 8 percent test positive at some point. And hen houses found with the bacteria have dropped from 26 percent in 1992 to 1 percent today, according to Patterson.

About 1.2 eggs per 10,000 tested is found with salmonella today.

Many states followed Pennsylvania's lead. Now the federal government has too and apparently wishes it had acted sooner.

Read more: http://articles.lancasteronlin...

Of course, if you can, I still think the best eggs to buy here are the ones from free-range hens on Amish or Mennonite farms.  Living as I do in the city, these are not available to me, although the organic meat guy at the farmers market I think is now selling them.  He's selling free-range chickens anyway, which he didn't a year ago.  I've been getting Martin's eggs at the bodega down the block lately -- Martin's is a local company but I won't swear where their eggs come from.  Still, they haven't been recalled.  

English usage is sometimes more than mere taste, judgment and education - sometimes it's sheer luck, like getting across the street.
E. B. White  


OMG, OMG, OMG (13.25 / 4)
There is a rec-listed diary at Orange about a new site.  I didn't capture the diary link (yet) but here's the new site:

http://stuffalansimpsonsays.co...

It's about the crazy shit Alan Simpson, recently in the news, has said.  (He wants to "save" Social Security by destroying it.)  The site's conceit is, it's a quiz:  Of two crazy-ass statements, which is the actual quote from Simpson?  I'm not batting 1000 on this, but pick the most outrageous statement and you're likely to be correct.  It's a very entertaining quiz, anyway, and I will definitely sign their petition when I finish it.

Check it out, guys!

English usage is sometimes more than mere taste, judgment and education - sometimes it's sheer luck, like getting across the street.
E. B. White  


Okay, Ria... (13.75 / 4)
...I did pick up some shrimp today.  And I have some Bob's Red Mill grits (would have preferred Ayers Creek Farm, but I haven't been able to make it out to the Hillsdale Farmers' Market in weeks...).

And I'm ready to cook shrimp & grits.

:)

One problem, though.  Same as last time.  No bacon here.  However, I do have pastrami!  Hit Kenny & Zuke's today.  Picked up some pastrami, some corned beef and some chopped liver (had an odd and very, very rare sweet craving today as well, but I resisted the kugel, rugelach and hamantaschen.  thought about it, though!).  

Just for the hell of it, I'm gonna use a strip of (thick hand-cut) pastrami in place of the bacon, see how that comes out for breakfast tomorrow.  I have enough shrimp for a second meal of it, too... so I might do it with bacon as well if I can hit the butcher tomorrow or Sunday.

Pass me a bottle, Mr. Jones...


Jay, I can't answer for Ria, but (15.00 / 4)
as long as you didn't buy the extra-lean pastrami, I think it should work very well as a bacon substitute.  I was going to say, I hope the pastrami flavor doesn't overwhelm the shrimp flavor -- but if you only use a little bit, I don't see why it would.  I mean, bacon isn't exactly a shy, retiring type of flavor either!

Let us know how it turns out, OK?

Damn, you're making me hungry:  I've never had shrimp & grits.

English usage is sometimes more than mere taste, judgment and education - sometimes it's sheer luck, like getting across the street.
E. B. White  


[ Parent ]
Extra lean? (10.17 / 6)
Ha!  This is a real Deli.  They'd whack you upside the head with the greasy pastrami knife if you pulled that there!  This ain't no tourist trap in midtown Manhattan...

;)

Pass me a bottle, Mr. Jones...


[ Parent ]
Great deli quote... (11.80 / 5)
Someone once said (Alan Dershowitz?) something like "the idea isn't to have less fat pastrami, but to have less fat pastrami."

Yesshhh!  As Marv Albert would say...

;)

Pass me a bottle, Mr. Jones...


[ Parent ]
Well, that's my take on pastrami (15.00 / 5)
too -- it's supposed to be well-marbled.  Delighted we agree:  when are you taking me out for real deli?  ;-D

English usage is sometimes more than mere taste, judgment and education - sometimes it's sheer luck, like getting across the street.
E. B. White  


[ Parent ]
As soon as... (15.00 / 3)
...you make it out to Portland!

;)

Pass me a bottle, Mr. Jones...


[ Parent ]
i don't see why not (14.75 / 4)
i've never had pastrami. is it kinda salty like bacon? when you fry it up can you then crumble it or cut it into smallish bits to add to the gravy? if so, i don't see why it wouldn't work!
it can be a new twist on an old favourite- Deli-Style Shrimp-n-Grits!!!

"Indeed, if a poor man will spend a year in prison for stealing out of hunger,
how high would the gallows need to be to hang the rich man?"
~The Patrician in 'Snuff' by Terry Pratchett



[ Parent ]
I need a rating (13.60 / 5)
"i've never had pastrami"

Rating: That's just so wrooooong! (heh)

A good pastrami sandwich from a real deli...mmmmmm, every time I am anywhere north of the Mason-Dixon line, I make sure to get a pastrami sandwich. You have got to put that on your bucket list!

I think pastrami will make a good substitute for the bacon. It will have a different character, and it certainly won't be the same, but I think it'd be interesting to try.

I hope Jay will let us know how it turns out....

"In proportion to the vigor of the individual, these revolutions are frequent, until in some happier mind they are incessant..." R.W.Emerson - Compensation


[ Parent ]
snuggles, not smuggles is so right, sister (8.50 / 4)
unbelievable. thank goodness the baby is ok.

another sad, sad animal story from here in PR - this time the outcome was horrible.

Gloria Barreto never imagined that Saturday August 14 would change from ordinary to extraordinary in the blink of an eye, and not by a positive event.

Barreto lived firsthand the violence that envelopes the island when her neighbor, Edgar Gonzalez Valderrama, ruthlessly killed her three year old dog, Cuqui...
link (in spanish)

long story short, Gloria let out her dog to do his business and he immediately went to the neighbor's stoop, where the neighbor's pit bull was in heat. the owner of the pitbull got his pistol and shot Cuqui dead, saying that the possibility of a "mut" getting his dog pregnant wasn't gonna happen.

Gloria called the police, the neighbor was arrested, and yesterday the district attorney said he was seeking a sentence of 8 years. thank goodness PR has some of the toughest animal cruelty laws in the country.

rest in sweet peace, Cuqui
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It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Thoreau ... and, do no harm


OMFSM! (13.50 / 4)
what a horrible story. what a terrible horrible man!

i hope they take away his dog as he's certainly not qualified to keep  one.

"Indeed, if a poor man will spend a year in prison for stealing out of hunger,
how high would the gallows need to be to hang the rich man?"
~The Patrician in 'Snuff' by Terry Pratchett



[ Parent ]
it is horrible... (13.67 / 3)
and right now the word is that his pit bull will be going to a pit sanctuary in the states... it's illegal to have pit bulls here in PR, so he's not only losing his dog, he'll be losing his freedom for quite a few years

It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Thoreau ... and, do no harm

[ Parent ]
You know, newp; (8.33 / 3)
At the risk of sounding prejudiced against certain dogs, I seriously wonder about the mentality of the people who own pitbulls!  They're super-vicious and can do damage beyond belief, because, unlike most other dogs who bite, release their jaws, and then bite again if desired,  pitbulls. clamp down and don't let go when they bite.

It should be illegal to have pitbulls anywhere in the USA, but that's another issue.  

I'm glad  that vicious  neighbor will be losing his dog and his freedom!  It serves him right!

The more things change, the more they stay the same.


[ Parent ]
O Miki (11.75 / 4)
I would definitely be one of the people that you'd question my mentality! but, as most fireflies already know, I'm nuts!

having rescued quite a few pit bulls in our many years as animal rescue rangers, without exception they were all sweethearts and some of the most loyal and loving dogs we've had. it's the OWNERS that are the problem, IMO, not the breed of the dog. but with all the very true horror stories of pit attacks, I understand completely how you feel.

I'll NEVER forget the look on Juan's face the first time I brought home a rescued pit from the pound... he freaked out! but it took no time at all before Princess Leia won his heart!!

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but the statistics are undeniable...

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link


It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Thoreau ... and, do no harm


[ Parent ]
i agree wholeheartedly (15.00 / 3)
it's the OWNERS that are the problem, IMO, not the breed of the dog.

dogs are much like children, imo. it's all in how you raise them
if you yell at them & beat them they will be either mean or snivelling cowards that at the strangest moments turn on you/society.
if you treat them with love & respect, teach them good manners, they will become wonderful members of your family.

so many people told us we were crazy for getting a chow when our kids were fairly little.
they'll turm on you, main the children, attack you, be nothing but trouble!
our Cherub was the sweetest dog ever, she would let babies use her as a pillow but stand over them guarding if a stranger approached.
we've had chows ever since: cherub, shadow, puddin'hed(who was half border collie), muad'dib, pooka, & the ones we have now princess leia (aka fatty) & oblio.
when we lose fatty we will get another chow puppy as a companion for oblio (& us)
i couldn't imagine life without dogs.

"Indeed, if a poor man will spend a year in prison for stealing out of hunger,
how high would the gallows need to be to hang the rich man?"
~The Patrician in 'Snuff' by Terry Pratchett



[ Parent ]
Me too (14.33 / 3)
it's the OWNERS that are the problem, IMO, not the breed of the dog.

I also wonder how many of those attacks listed on the chart were made by dogs that had been trained to attack.  Either for guarding drugs or something, or trained for dog fighting.


[ Parent ]
great question... (12.33 / 3)
I've no idea how many were "made" to be vicious. I grew up with folks that used to feed buckshot to their dogs to make them mean - all it did was drive them insane. makes my heart sick.

It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Thoreau ... and, do no harm

[ Parent ]
exactly, Ria (13.67 / 3)
if you treat them with love & respect, teach them good manners, they will become wonderful members of your family.
I'm still holding your sweet (((((Pooka))))) in my heart.

and from my own personal experience with animal rescue for more than 20 years, an abused animal, unless rehabilitated with love, will eventually strike back at the abuser - humans.


It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Thoreau ... and, do no harm


[ Parent ]
from what I understand, however, chows are different than pitbulls. (5.00 / 2)
They may be nippy, nasty little things, but  unlike pitbulls, their bites are much more superficial, and, unlike pitbulls, they don't bite deep into the musculature of their victims.  Nobody's disputing that dog bites are a big problem, but I think that most dogs don't bite as deeply into the body of its victims as a pitbull or pitbull mix will.    Most dogs, unlike pitbulls, don't have the ability to crunch bones, either.

All of the above having been said, I respectfully agree to disagree with everybody here on this subject.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.


[ Parent ]
Oh, no! (14.50 / 4)
What a drag...and a horrible story.  Here's hoping that Gloria's crazy, vicious neighbor gets put behind bars for a long time!  He deserves it!

RIP, Cuqui!  

The more things change, the more they stay the same.


[ Parent ]
Poor little Cuqui (12.00 / 4)
and Gloria.

I hope the guy gets the full 8 years.  I wish it was longer.  Something happens to me when I hear about crimes against animals or children.  I turn from a peaceful prison reform person to a "hang the bastards" type person.  I just can't help it.


[ Parent ]
I'm with ya, sister (14.25 / 4)
I hope the bastard gets way more than 8 years. and the idiot who tried to smuggle the tiger cub should get no less.

It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Thoreau ... and, do no harm

[ Parent ]
I agree that the guy should get more than 8 years, and he deserves to lose his dog as well as his freedom. (13.67 / 3)
That stupid idiot who smuggled (or attempted to smuggle the tiger cubs in) should also go to jail, for longer.  Doesn't the jerk realize that he's tempting fate?  He or another (innocent) person could get maimed or mauled to death by a tiger cub.  Fortunately, I live in a state where there's a law against smuggling and keeping tiger cubs and other wild beasts like that as pets.  There've been far too many horror stories about damage to property, and even injury or death to the owner of such a pet and/or family members, because their wild animal pets lost patience and went on a rampage.  Tigers and other such animals aren't meant to have as pets.  When will these stupid people wake up?

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

[ Parent ]
majik flower fairy princess (13.80 / 5)
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so you can see the dress better, here it is laid out before being sewn together:

flower fairy

ps
this is all dancingtrees work not mine
but she does take after her ma- this was made without a pattern.

"Indeed, if a poor man will spend a year in prison for stealing out of hunger,
how high would the gallows need to be to hang the rich man?"
~The Patrician in 'Snuff' by Terry Pratchett



she's precious! (13.00 / 3)
(but you already knew that!!!) and dancingtrees did a beautiful job on the fairy dress!

please give your girls a hug from me when ya see 'em

It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Thoreau ... and, do no harm


[ Parent ]
This really does (13.67 / 3)
make my butt light up.  :)

I think she's a natural majik flower fairy princess.  She takes after her mom and grandma.  :)

The dress is really cute!  


[ Parent ]
Ooooh, how cute! (13.80 / 5)
What a neat dress for a cute princess.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

[ Parent ]
I see where you're all coming from by defending pitbulls, but (7.33 / 3)
I once watched a horrific episode on "Sixty Minutes", where a pitbull who'd been bred to be gentle and the family  who gave the pitbull TLC.   The pitbull even used to play around with their 2-year-old daughter.  At the end of the episode, there was a voice-over which stated that, 2 weeks after the 60 Minutes filming and interviewing, the pitbull attacked and killed the 2-year old child, just out of the blue.  More to the point, there are far more stories like that than many people care to believe.  So, having said this, and all of what else I've said, I stand by my position on pitbulls.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

Miki (14.67 / 3)
I also saw that 60 minutes episode. absolutely heartbreaking. I lived through a near tragedy in our family - my cousin, who was my best friend growing up, was mauled by a neighbor's dog and had his face completely disfigured. the dog was a Doberman.

another friend of the family lost their 11 year old child to a dog attack. the dog was a German Shepherd.

dog attacks are real - ANY breed of dog can be dangerous, which is why care, love and training are so important. and though you have every right to stand by your position and I respect that, it doesn't necessarily mean that your position is correct, nor does it mean that every sensational story in the papers or on t.v. about pit bulls is the complete truth.

Pit Bull Myths vs. Facts

1. MYTH: Pit bulls bite more than any other breed.
FACT: There is no system in place to track statistics on dog bites and attacks accurately in the U.S., and many incidents are never reported.
The Centers for Disease Control study "Breeds of dogs involved in fatal human attacks in the United States between 1979 and 1998" explains the inherent problems in attempting to calculate breed involvement in fatal attacks.1  The CDC further explained that a major flaw in the study was the inability to factor in total breed populations relative to breed-related fatalities. The CDC concluded that fatal attacks are so rare as to be statistically insignificant in addressing canine aggression.

2. MYTH: Pit bulls attack without warning or provocation.
FACT: According to Karen Delise in The Pit Bull Placebo, the classification of an attack as unprovoked is usually based on the declarations of owners who are unable to understand canine behavior, or are too busy to have seen the signals dogs usually display through body language or vocalization. Dogs do this with stares; body stiffening; positioning of ears, tail and head; and growling, to name only a few. Pit bulls give these signals as much as any other breed of dog.2
Additionally, dog attacks tend to be a result of several factors that are statistically more dangerous than a simple breakdown of breed culpability. According to the American Veterinary Medical Association, these factors are:
- Breeding: Dogs that are bred to be aggressive will be aggressive regardless of the breed.
- Socialization: Puppies need socialization to learn how to live in human society.
- Training: Beyond socialization, puppies need training so they will at least obey basic commands.
- Health: Some dogs bite because they are uncomfortable or in pain.3
- Spayed or Neutered: 97 percent of dogs involved in fatal dog attacks in 2006 were not sterilized.4
- Tethering: One out of every four fatal dog attacks involves a chained dog.5

3. MYTH: Pit bulls have locking jaws.
FACT: There is no factual research to support this claim. Pit bulls' jaws are the same as any other breed of dog.
There are statements by experts that refute the locking myth, such as:
- Dr. I. Lehr Brisbin of the University of Georgia conducted research on the functional morphology of the jaws of various breeds and showed that:
"...there were no mechanical or morphological differences between the jaws of American Pit Bull Terriers and those of any of the other comparable breeds of dogs which we studied. In addition, we found that the American Pit Bull Terriers did not have any unique mechanism that would allow these dogs to lock their jaws."6
- Dr. Howard Evans (professor emeritus, College of Veterinary Medicine at Cornell University, Ithaca, N.Y., and author of the world's definitive work on canine anatomy [Anatomy of the Dog]), in conjunction with Dr. Sandy deLahunta, one of the foremost dog neurologists in the country, along with Dr. Katherine Houpt, a leading dog behaviorist, wrote the following statement about the supposed "locking jaw" in pit bulls:
"We all agree that the power of the bite is proportional to the size of the jaws and the jaw muscles. There is no anatomical structure that could be a locking mechanism in any dog."7

4. MYTH: Pit bulls have more bite force in pounds per square inch than any other animal.
FACT: Again, there is no factual research to support this claim. However, there is research that refutes this myth.
Dr. Brady Barr of National Geographic conducted a study on animal bites. The force of bite (in pounds of bite pressure) in the test subjects were:
Crocodiles: 2,500 lbs.
Hyenas: 1,000 lbs.
Snapping turtles: 1,000 lbs.
Lions: 600 lbs.
White sharks: 600 lbs.
Domestic dogs: 320 lbs. (on average*)
Humans: 120 lbs.

- A German shepherd dog, American pit bull terrier and Rottweiler were tested using a bite sleeve equipped with a specialized computer instrument. The American pit bull terrier had the least amount of pressure of the three dogs tested.8

5. MYTH: Pit bulls have worse temperaments than other dogs.
FACT: In a recent study of 122 dog breeds by the American Temperament Testing Society, pit bulls had a passing rate of 83.9%. That was better than miniature poodles (76.6%), beagles (80.3%) and collies (79.4%).9

6. MYTH: Pit bulls do not feel pain.
FACT: While most dogs do not respond to pain while in the frenzied state of a severe attack, pit bulls feel pain just like other breeds do.10
Pit bulls have the same nervous system as any other breed, and they do feel pain. Historically, dogs that would tolerate or ignore discomfort and pain and finish the task they were required to perform were the dogs that were bred and the type of dogs breeders strove to produce. This is the trait of "gameness" that so many breed fanciers speak of, which may be defined as "The desire to continue on and/or complete a task despite pain and discomfort."11

1 CDC. (2000) Breeds of dogs involved in fatal human attacks in the United States between 1979 and 1998. link (pdf warning).
2 Delise, K. (2007). The Pit Bull Placebo: The Media, Myths and Politics of Canine Aggression. Anubis Publishing.
3 See generally, The American Veterinary Association, Dog Bite Prevention: A Community Approach. JAVMA, Vol. 218, No. 11, June 1, 2001. link (pdf warning).
4 ASPCA, Are Breed Specific Laws Effective? link.
5 See supra, note 3.
6 Ontario Superior Court of Justice Affidavit of Dr. I. Lehr Brisbin, Jr., senior research scientist, University of Georgia.
7 See supra, note 2.
8 Dr. Brady Barr. National Geographic. "Dangerous Encounters: Bite Force." August 18, 2005.
9 American Temperament Testing Society. Retrieved January 8, 2009. link.
10 See supra, note 2.
11 New Hope Pit Bull Rescue. link

American Humane Link (PDF Warning)



It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Thoreau ... and, do no harm

[ Parent ]
I've talked personally to several pitbull owners and ex-pitbull owners, and from what I've read/heard, however, (5.00 / 1)
is that while the pitbulls don't have locking jaws, their jaws are extremely muscular, broad and strong, and do have a tendency to really hold on tight to their victims.   Their noses are also built back so that they can still breath while grasping and possibly suffocating their victims.   If pitbulls were indeed bred in a certain way by their owners (tough and combative), it is because they do have both the temperament and the physical build for that.  Frankly, if I were going to get a dog, a pitbull would not be on my list.   Whatever other opinions people have of pitbulls, I would not advocate having one as a pet, but that's my opinion.  They're bred to fight, and fight they often will--the instinct is still there, as any  instincts are in all animals, even supposedly domesticated ones.  

Getting back to what the pitbull owners and ex-owners of pitbulls that I personally met and talked with said;  Pitbulls require much more work and vigilance than other dogs, and some of these same owners said that they've had so much trouble with them that they ended up getting rid of them, and the present pitbull owners said that if the pitbulls they have pass on and they obtain other dogs, they won't get any more pitbulls.  There is a reason that they're used by drug dealers, tough people, and as watch dogs or guard dogs;  their physical and emotional toughness.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.


[ Parent ]
please understand, Miki (11.50 / 4)
you're talking to a pit owner right now. we've not only had 6 rescued pit bulls that have already crossed the rainbow bridge after many happy years with us, I have one right now sleeping at my feet as I type. her name is Sara, we've had her for 5 years now (she was already 2 when we rescued her from a shelter in Jackson, MS in the aftermath of Katrina), and though we still have 10 other dogs (not to mention the rest of the farm animals!), she has never been in a fight, has never shown aggression, and even gets along great with our 6 cats. what may surprise you is, the most aggressive, hard to handle dog of our bunch is our yellow lab, Capitán. go figure?

because of the fear and hysteria over pit bulls, we were not able to find her a forever home before the move to PR. so we had a simple choice. put her to sleep, or lie. so we lied. our vet classified her as a "boxer mix" on her health certificate and not one official at either the Nashville or San Juan airports took a closer look. the end. no regrets.

and she'll continue sleeping at my feet, or in my bed, until she's ready to join the rest of our kids on the other side of the bridge.

now, I think I know ya well enough to know that nothing will ever change your mind (which is one of the reasons I love ya so much), so let's agree to disagree on this one, and accept my kisses and hugs, and lots of scritchins for Aziza!

here's my girl Sara (well, most of her!) with her old best friend Master Splinter
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It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Thoreau ... and, do no harm


[ Parent ]
Hi, newp. (14.00 / 1)
Thanks for this:

now, I think I know ya well enough to know that nothing will ever change your mind (which is one of the reasons I love ya so much), so let's agree to disagree on this one, and accept my kisses and hugs, and lots of scritchins for Aziza!

and  your compliments.  Aziza's now asleep, and she's has her good night scritches, and is happy and content.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.


[ Parent ]
"Whitestock" (15.00 / 5)
Too funny.

"I would wager there were more non-whites on the podium than in the crowd today. That's the truth."


LOL (11.40 / 5)
those were J's exact words during the 'hallelujah unity gospel' stagecraft segment... and our liberal talk radio here has been having a field day with diversity of the "sunscreen patriots"

It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Thoreau ... and, do no harm

[ Parent ]
"Brought to you by Cialis" (9.75 / 4)
LOL at "sunscreen patriots".

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