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Friday Open Thoughts: What do you see?

  

by: slksfca

Fri Jan 21, 2011 at 06:00:00 AM EST



Louis Daguerre, "Boulevard du Temple" (1838)
slksfca :: Friday Open Thoughts: What do you see?
This daguerreotypic view of a Paris street is one of the earliest photo images in existence. It is also probably the first picture of a human being.

Can you see him, standing on the corner with one leg raised? (Is he getting a shoeshine?) Zoom in closer and have a look.

But there's more here than meets the eye: Boulevard du Temple was (and is) a major Parisian thoroughfare - and it was undoubtedly thronged with people, carriages and horses that day. The explanation for this lonely scene: it took roughly ten minutes to expose the image; during that time, anything that moved escaped capture. (A few other ghostlike figures can be discerned - or can they? - at various points along the boulevard.) Here's a very high-resolution image of the entire photo.

And there's one more deception going on: daguerreotypes, directly exposed onto a copper plate, are reversed. So what we see is a mirror image of that long ago day in Paris.

Welcome to Friday Open Thoughts. :-)

   
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Update: I neglected to acknowledge The Hokumburg Goombah, which prompted this post. (The comments section there contains lots of fun speculation as to the photo's details.)

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erm...where's your tip jar? (15.00 / 4)
LOL, I think this must have posted early b/c it's not 6 a.m. EST where I am, and I am definitely in the EST zone.

Cool photo daguerrotype, btw.

What I see, looking out my window, is yet more snow (sigh).  We've been getting nuisance snows (1-4") once or twice a week since Christmas.

It's getting old.

Especially trudging home through it after work.

Now I'm off to look at the high-resolution image.

English usage is sometimes more than mere taste, judgment and education - sometimes it's sheer luck, like getting across the street.
E. B. White  


::yawn:: (14.50 / 4)
Dunno what kind of trick autopost played on me while I was asleep. :-)

Sorry about your snow; I remember well how it can lose its charm. (I always wished they'd just roll it up and put it away until next year, along with the rest of the holiday decorations.)

There are, in every age, new errors to be rectified, and new prejudices to be opposed. ~Samuel Johnson (1709-1784)


[ Parent ]
Tips? (13.25 / 4)
If I were a Zen master I'd probably draw some kind of lesson here about how stillness can make history. (On the other hand, if I were really a Zen master I'd probably just shut up and let the lesson find its own path home.)

Thanks for reading, and have a great weekend. :-)

-Scott

There are, in every age, new errors to be rectified, and new prejudices to be opposed. ~Samuel Johnson (1709-1784)


very cool! (14.50 / 4)
i see two more things. in the high-res image you can see them better.
in the large white building there are two rows of windows. in the row on the left, the top & bottom windows have cats in them. the bottom one for sure, the top one is more iffy- maybe it moved?

this is really cool though.
& strange to think how it once took 10 minutes to get a picture.... on glass!
& now everything is digital.

"Indeed, if a poor man will spend a year in prison for stealing out of hunger,
how high would the gallows need to be to hang the rich man?"
~The Patrician in 'Snuff' by Terry Pratchett



minor nitpicky correction :-) (13.75 / 4)
strange to think how it once took 10 minutes to get a picture.... on glass!

Daguerreotypes were produced on plates of copper. Glass-plate photography came along shortly after, in the 1840s IIRC. :-)

As for your cats, I definitely see something in that top left window where the curtain is pulled aside - but whether it's a cat, a child's head, or something resting on the window sill I can't tell. Whatever's in the bottom left window looks more cat-like to me, but what the heck is the white background? Ditto for the middle-right window. Almost looks like a reflection of another window in a building behind the photographer...

Fun guessing game though, isn't it? :-)

There are, in every age, new errors to be rectified, and new prejudices to be opposed. ~Samuel Johnson (1709-1784)


[ Parent ]
love the open, Scott! (15.25 / 4)
what IS that man doing? about to get on his horse? (the shadow on the ground sorta looks like it could be a horse ~ then again, I always have horses on the brain :O)

is that a little boy walking his dog at the base of the chimney? (walking dogs on the brain, too hehehe)


It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Thoreau ... and, do no harm


I don't see a horse (13.00 / 4)
The shadow does have that sort of shape, but seems way too small. To me it looks like the bootblack on an elevated platform or stool.

I can't see your boy with a dog at all. (But as much as I love dogs and horses, I don't have them "on the brain.")

;-)

There are, in every age, new errors to be rectified, and new prejudices to be opposed. ~Samuel Johnson (1709-1784)


[ Parent ]
I'm seeing phantoms! (13.00 / 4)
I guess it's kinda like finding shapes in clouds :O)  I tried to zero in on what I was seeing...

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Okay... (10.50 / 4)
...now I see them. (But the "boy" looks like an illustration of The Little Prince to me! And what are they doing on that roof?)

;-)

There are, in every age, new errors to be rectified, and new prejudices to be opposed. ~Samuel Johnson (1709-1784)


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i think i DID find (15.00 / 4)
a boy & dog.... maybe.
and a man at a (cafe?)table...?

i'm pretty sure this will not show up well.
but it's on the left side of the street.
go to the high res pic & "embiggen" it.
then look for where this picture shows
by the store with 3 awnings

"Indeed, if a poor man will spend a year in prison for stealing out of hunger,
how high would the gallows need to be to hang the rich man?"
~The Patrician in 'Snuff' by Terry Pratchett



[ Parent ]
Olbermann fired (13.00 / 6)
from MSNBC.

Shit.  Sounds like the new Comcast overlords are muzzling liberals already.  


. (13.80 / 5)

Visit msnbc.com for breaking news, world news, and news about the economy

from dkos:
NEW YORK - January 21, 2011 - Starting Monday, January 24, "The Last Word with Lawrence O'Donnell" will move to 8 p.m. ET/PT and "The Ed Show," hosted by Ed Schultz, will move to 10 p.m. ET/PT on MSNBC. The announcement was made today by Phil Griffin, President of MSNBC. "The Rachel Maddow Show" will continue to air live at 9 p.m. ET/PT.

another link on this:
http://latimesblogs.latimes.co...
(where comments are also blaming Comcast)

"Indeed, if a poor man will spend a year in prison for stealing out of hunger,
how high would the gallows need to be to hang the rich man?"
~The Patrician in 'Snuff' by Terry Pratchett



[ Parent ]
rachel on bill mahr (14.33 / 3)
i have NO idea what she's saying
i don't have cable  :(

"Indeed, if a poor man will spend a year in prison for stealing out of hunger,
how high would the gallows need to be to hang the rich man?"
~The Patrician in 'Snuff' by Terry Pratchett



[ Parent ]
My god! (13.80 / 5)
Unbefuckinglievable!  It's beyond disgusting that Keith Olbermann was canned so unceremoniously.  Wonder who's next on the chopping block.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

[ Parent ]
OT (7.67 / 3)
what is this about Soapy taking a walk?
I have not had any trouble getting him to respond when I needed him.
but it's been awhile since I called on him....
Do you know something I don't?

"Indeed, if a poor man will spend a year in prison for stealing out of hunger,
how high would the gallows need to be to hang the rich man?"
~The Patrician in 'Snuff' by Terry Pratchett



[ Parent ]
all I know (10.50 / 4)
is both Maryscott and Diane have made comments about him no longer offering any support.  They've both looked into alternative hosting scenarios a couple of times.

I'm only reporting what I read--I have no direct information.


[ Parent ]
hmmmmm (11.67 / 3)
that is thought provoking.
especially as one of the things he advertises is support...
or at least he used to~

thanks for the info!

"Indeed, if a poor man will spend a year in prison for stealing out of hunger,
how high would the gallows need to be to hang the rich man?"
~The Patrician in 'Snuff' by Terry Pratchett



[ Parent ]
PETITION (10.50 / 4)
John Aravosis has a Petition going: I Stand With Keith

here are his remarks:

I've created a Petition for folks to stand with Keith. I'm not usually a petition fan, but this deserves one. The message is simple: I stand with Keith.

Keith says he was told "this is going to be the last edition of your show." Here's the rather curt statement from MSNBC.

Wow. Not a smart move by MSNBC. More than a few folks on Twitter, and elsewhere, are noting the interesting coincidence of Comcast being given approval to take over NBC just three days ago. Rather interesting timing. It's also interesting that the Republicans take over the House and suddenly Keith is gone - perhaps MSNBC has decided it wants more conservatives, or at least to lose its fiercest liberals.

If I were CNN, I'd hire him fast. This is the kind of energy and intellect CNN needs in its evening shows (not that it doesn't have some good talent). But Olbermann knows TV. And he's no Glenn Beck, but at the same time is a perfect counterpoint to the Becks of the world.

Also:
Yahoo article

By DAVID BAUDER, AP Television Writer David Bauder, Ap Television Writer - 8 mins ago

NEW YORK - Keith Olbermann, MSNBC's most successful and controversial personality for his outspoken liberal prime-time program, gave an abrupt goodbye to viewers and said Friday was his last show.

It was not immediately known if he quit or was fired. Olbermann did not address the question, and MSNBC said only that they and Olbermann had ended their contract. He signed a four-year contract two years ago.

"MSNBC thanks Keith for his integral role in MSNBC's success and we wish him well in his future endeavors," the network said in a statement.

A spokesman said Phil Griffin, MSNBC's president, would not comment on Olbermann's exit. Spokesman Jeremy Gaines would say only that the acquisition of NBC Universal by Comcast, which received regulatory approval this week, had nothing to do with the decision.

Guardian UK article

Keith Olbermann abruptly fired by NBC

Keith Olbermann, the controversial MSNBC cable news host, has his contract abruptly terminated by parent company NBC

Keith Olbermann, the liberal, outspoken anchor of MSNBC's Countdown show, had his contract dramatically terminated by the US cable new network's parent company NBC on Friday night.

Abruptly announcing that the current show would be his last, Olbermann calmly read aloud a poem by James Thurber before signing off with the words: "Good night and good luck."

While Olbermann was live on-air, NBC issued a statement reading:

 

Statement regarding Keith Olbermann

  MSNBC and Keith Olbermann have ended their contract. The last broadcast of Countdown with Keith Olbermann will be this evening. MSNBC thanks Keith for his integral role in MSNBC's success and we wish him well in his future endeavors.

The Associated Press reported that Phil Griffin, MSNBC's president, would not comment on Olbermann's exit. But a spokesman did say that the acquistion of NBC Universal by Comcast, which received regulatory approval this week, had nothing to do with the decision.

Bizarrely, nearly half an hour later during an ad break in the following programme, MSNBC showed a station promo featuring Olbermann. But the promo was interrupted halfway through by a mattress advertisment.

Sen. Bernie Sanders

The mega-merger of Comcast-NBC will lead to less local news coverage, fewer points of view, & reduced competition for viewers & ads.

NYTimes

9:24 p.m. | Updated Keith Olbermann, the highest-rated host on MSNBC, announced abruptly on the air Friday night that he is leaving "Countdown with Keith Olbermann" immediately.

The host, who has had a stormy relationship with the management of the network for some time, especially since he was suspended for two days last November, came to an agreement with NBC's corporate management late this week to settle his contract and step down.

In a closing statement on his show, Mr. Olbermann said simply that it would be the last edition of the program. He offered no explanation other than on occasion, the show had become too much for him.

Mr. Olbermann thanked his viewers for their enthusiastic support of a show that had "gradually established its position as anti-establishment."

MSNBC statement on programming

Starting Monday, January 24, "The Last Word with Lawrence O'Donnell" will move to 8 p.m. ET/PT and "The Ed Show," hosted by Ed Schultz, will move to 10 p.m. ET/PT on MSNBC. The announcement was made today by Phil Griffin, President of MSNBC. "The Rachel Maddow Show" will continue to air live at 9 p.m. ET/PT.

  Also starting Monday, Cenk Uygur, MSNBC contributor and host of the popular web show "The Young Turks," will be filling in as host of the 6 p.m ET hour.



"Indeed, if a poor man will spend a year in prison for stealing out of hunger,
how high would the gallows need to be to hang the rich man?"
~The Patrician in 'Snuff' by Terry Pratchett



I suspect that "stormy relationship" (14.33 / 3)
quote from the Times is more relevant than the Comcast acquisition, but I haven't yet read any of the Orange diaries about it.

Keith is apparently rather difficult...I know I read about some of that two years ago, but don't recall whether it in was the Times, The New Yorker, or both.

Let me go see what the Kossacks are saying.

English usage is sometimes more than mere taste, judgment and education - sometimes it's sheer luck, like getting across the street.
E. B. White  


[ Parent ]
OK, back again. (14.50 / 4)
Seems the Kossacks are all as clueless as we are.  But Seneca Doane has a good rec-list diary about the legalities involved (he's a lawyer).

Given that Olbermann is rather difficult -- he's a type A prima donna (primo donno?) in an industry run by other asshole type As -- it wouldn't surprise me to learn that both parties wanted out of the contract, and that Seneca's speculation that NBC paid Olbermann a bundle to end the contract is correct.  But we'll probably never know for sure, if Seneca's diary is correct, b/c of the way the settlement was made (no bad-mouthing from either side).

One diary I didn't delve into suggests (in its title) that Keith will return to sports reporting.  Here's the thing: when I say he's difficult, I am referring to that story I read -- New Yorker, probably -- about his problems with previous employers.  And THAT would have been much prior to MSNBC.  When he was still doing sports.

So I think he'll land...somewhere...and who knows?  Maybe back in politics after a year or two.

But if Rachel gets the axe, then we blame Comcast.  I already hate them -- for other reasons -- but I'll give them a pass on this one, for now.

English usage is sometimes more than mere taste, judgment and education - sometimes it's sheer luck, like getting across the street.
E. B. White  


[ Parent ]
I keep thinking (14.50 / 4)
how convenient it is that one of the strongest political voices will be kept off the teevee until after the 2012 elections.

Comcast is notoriously right-wing.  My son has their cable system and in the 20's you can find Fox, CNN, Headline News, CNBC etc., but MSNBC is on channel 70--only available if you subscribe to a higher tier (more expensive) of service.

Feh.


[ Parent ]
Here its the flip (15.00 / 3)
MSNBC is 37 and Fox is way up there around 90 (last I knew, but that was a more than a year ago) but both are in the same tier of service.

[ Parent ]
here... (9.00 / 2)
on our basic satellite service we don't get MSNBC or Fox... only CNN, CNN International, CNN Español, CNN frikken morning noon and night, and ... err ... Globovisión and BBC

It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Thoreau ... and, do no harm

[ Parent ]
If it wasn't (15.00 / 2)
for Rachel Maddow I probably wouldn't ever turn MSNBC on again.

I used to like CNN when they had Aaron Brown.  When they dumped him I dumped them.  And a good thing too because they went really limp then.  Turned into he said she said reporting instead of doing any checking of their own.

So now I guess I'll just go for all internet news except for Rachels show.


[ Parent ]
I stopped watching MSNBC (15.50 / 2)
years ago, when they dumped Donahue... I wouldn't even watch Keith or Rachel if not for you and Youff!

It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Thoreau ... and, do no harm

[ Parent ]

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