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An Open Letter to the Israelis and Palestinians::

  

by: mplo

Thu Mar 18, 2010 at 14:30:37 PM EDT


(7pm - promoted by RiaD)

Hey there, fellow Firefly-Dreamers!  I haven't posted any diaries in awhile, but when I saw Karmafish's diary about Israel and his and Laurie's ancestries and ancestral histories, I thought I'd take a chance and post an I/P diary of my own.  

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I, too was raised as a secular Jew, and my (late) grandparents both emigrated here long before the war through Ellis Island.  My grandmother was from Mir, Russia, which was roughly 80 km outside the Pale of Settlement, my mom's real father, who was a tailor, was a Polish Jew (from Poland).  He passed away at the age of 60 from stomach cancer, but my other grandfather, who was really my mom's stepfather, took over and was a wonderful grandfather to us kids.  He was from Rumania.  When my parents and he had famous arguments about Israel, which were fascinating to listen to, btw, my parents were very critical of Israel's policies, while my grandfather was far less so.  

Admittedly, I kind of miss those arguments, which could and did get somewhat heated and quite emotional at times,  and, even though I was much more naive when I was younger, both sides of these arguments would sort of tug at my heartstrings, because I thought that there was something to both sides of the argument.  Although I feel that Israel must pull their troops and  rightwing settlers out of the West Bank, Gaza Strip and East Jerusalem in order to survive and preserve their Jewish Majority population and character, I also believe that the Arab countries and Palestinians leaders also have to bear a certain amount of responsibility for the statelessness, lack of sovereignity and oppression of the Palestinians.  

While I'm a strong supporter of the two-state solution and believe that it's not too late for that, and think that Israel must pull its troops and rightwing Jewish settlers out of West Bank, Gaza Strip and East Jerusalem in order to survive, I also believe that it's important to address something that's rarely, if ever addressed:  How and why Israel's occupation of West Bank, Gaza Strip and East Jerusalem came about in the first place.

Now for the crux of my diary:

mplo :: An Open Letter to the Israelis and Palestinians::
                                             An  Open Letter to Israeli Jews and Palestinians:

Hey--I realize that you've been at loggerheads for over 60 years, and it's  more than just a conflict over land.  It's clear that religious and cultural differences, too, have also been at the forefront of your decades-old conflict. 

Israel:  I know it's been a tough road for you to hoe-you've had a hard time just surviving and have absolutely had to fight and prevail for your very survival due to the fact that, for the longest time, the countries surrounding you would not accept you, a Jewish-majority, western-style nation-state, in their midst.  Had you not fought back,  you wouldn't have survived.  That's very true, and, for a great long time, you commanded the respect of the international community because of that. 

However, Israel, you've often overstepped your boundaries terribly.  While I understand that you were threatened, even back  in 1967, and you launched a pre-emptive strike in self-defense when threatened by three hostile Arab armies that were positioned on your borders ready to attack you, the time for you to make peace with your neighbors and cede West Bank, Gaza Strip and East Jerusalem over to the Palestinians is long, long overdue.  Moreover, the building of settlements on their land on your part, Israel, is not only ethically wrong, but it's illegal,  under international law,  to boot.

 The West Bank, Gaza Strip and East jerusalem do not belong to  you,  Israel.  You have absolutely no right to build settlements on those lands, to demolish Palestinian families' homes, subject the Palestinian civilian population to humiliating checkpoints and  other collective punishments, separate Palestinian civilians from friends and loved ones by  your settlements,  or to deprive the Palestinian civilians of food, water, electricity and medical care, education and/or their livelihoods.  Bombing hospitals and schools, and blinding innocent civilians by shelling, as well as the random raids and searches of Palestinian homes are also counterproductive...and unacceptable, as is the indiscriminate shelling and shooting innocent civilians.  Those are all gross human rights violations!  Israel--you cannot  possibly keep an angry foreign population under martial law like this and survive, either.

All this being said, Israel, it's important that you exist as a Jewish-majority State.  and we know you came into existence for legitimate reasons.  In order for you to survive and preserve your Jewish majority population/character, you absolutely must withdraw your troops and evacuate your settlers from West Bank, Gaza Strip and East Jerusalem now, and stop the daily incursions into those territories.  Collective punishment on innocent Palestinian men, women and children doesn't help you, Israel, anymore than it helps the Palestinians.

  Maiming and killing innocent Palestinian civilians is wrong.   While I understand the reason for your building the wall--suicide bombers, you should only build the wall along the Green Line!!.  Don't make the wall go into Palestian territory!  That is wrong!!. Please cease and desist at once!!  Thanks.  The Palestinians need and want their own state alongside you.  I also  think that running over the late Ms. Rachel Corrie with a bulldozer and killing her was wrong,  as naive  as she may have acted. 

Israel:  while I know that suicide bombers, as well as the the firing of rockets by Palestinians affiliated with the group Hamas into towns and cities on your southern borders and putting civilians at risk is a problem for you,  I also believe that your excessive, full-scale assaults on Lebanon back in 1982 and again in 2006, and, more recently, on the Gaza Strip, have proved counter-productive, resulting in the maiming/killling of many innocent civilian Palestinian men, women and children.   Moreover,  depriving Gazans of food, fuel, electricity, potable water, and medical care, as well as many other things has made already-bad situations worse.  Israel--there needs to be a ceasefire, and a commencement of a real movement towards the just and necessary two-state solution for both you and the Palestinians alike.

Palestinians:  I know that you also have a point, and that you, too have a right to some land, and to have an independent, sovereign Palestinian nation-state of your very own, but it has to be alongside Israel, and not in place of Israel,  the way tons of people want.  Palestinians, the best you can hope for is a mini-sized,  independent, sovereign nation-state of your own, alongside the Jewish-majority state of Israel, which would be comprised of West Bank and Gaza Strip, with Arab East Jerusalem as its capitol.  However,  do not think for one minute that Israel, as  harsh as her occupation of  West Bank, Gaza Strip and East Jerusalem,  which are rightfully yours has been,  is the only  one who is to blame here.
 
The Arab countries, too,  have to bear a great deal of responsibility for your predicament of oppression and statelessness, as they refused to accept Israel's existence,  deliberately and knowingly kept you in squalid refugee camps, and led you, the Palestinians on, with all kinds of honeyed promises about how the then newly-formed State of Israel back in 1947-1948 would be destroyed by the Arab world's victory and that you  would once again be able go back to the land where you once lived.  That did not happen, because Israel fought back and prevailed.

The Arab countries, for at least the first 40 years of Israel's existence,  constantly made war on the then newly-formed, fledgling State of Israel,  beginning back  in 1948,  and constantly exploited you, the Palestinians,  as a political football for that purpose,  instead of letting you have your own independent, sovereign nation state alongside Israel in Gaza, West Bank, and East Jerusalem. 

Unfortunately,  Palestinians, you also did not help matters any either,  since many of you committed nasty acts of your own against the State of Israel and the West,  ranging from cross border raids on Israel from West Bank and Gaza, which you used as launching pads for these raids,  even before Israel's military occupied you,  to hijacking Israeli El-Al aircraft and taking Israeli Jewish passengers hostage, to the storming of Israeli schools that resulted in the killing/wounding of Israeli schoolchildren,  to acts of terror such as the 1972 Munich Olympics incident where your leaders sent some of you to Munich to slaughter 11 Israeli athletes, and your attempt at something similiar at Entebbe, Uganda, which Israeli commandoes successfully foiled, and to the gunning down of Jewish passengers at many European airports.

More recently,  sending suicide bombers into Israel to blow up and kill innocent Israeli Jewish civilians on buses, as well as in discoteques,  wedding halls, cafeterials, etc., and your more recent  firing of rockets into Israeli cities and towns on Israel's southern borders, thereby putting innocent Israeli civilians at risk, have also failed to advance your cause, and, along with other afore-mentioned acts over the years, have also contributed greatly to your present predicament--statelessness and oppression.  

Palestinians-- Had you and the rest of  the Arab world accepted the two-state solution from the start, you and Israel would be living in separate, independent states side by side today, with Jerusalem as a shared capitol of both the states of Palestine and Israel. 

Israeli Jews and Palestinians--I'm sorry to say that both your leaders have sold you out disgracefully, due to their persistant refusal to face up to their accountability in this decades-old conflict.   This is unfortunate,  and that's also why there's no peace today.  The United States, the European community, and other institutions who should be helping to get you both out of this deadlock and to implement the necessary two-state solution haven't been doing their jobs, which is also  unfortunate.

Everybody should get to work--damnit!!

Israel-- like most people who criticize and condemn what you're doing, I care about you and want you to exist as a Jewish state, even though I'm secular.  I'm criticizing you because I want you to continue to exist. 

Israeli Jews and Palestinians--you have both done many unspeakable things to each other over the years in the name of your religions and in the name of humanity.   It must stop...now.    However,  there is yet another equally big, important obstacle to peace between you:  the persistent refusal of both of you to come out and face up to your accountability and culpability in this decades-long conflict openly and squarely.  This seemingly small step would be an important step in the right direction, which would invariably help facilitate the road to peace.


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mplo's Tip Jar: (8.00 / 6)
n/t

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

One of the most (9.75 / 4)
hopeful things I ever saw on the issue was a Nightline piece several years ago when Nightline was still a real news show.

There was a group of Israeli and Palestinian women that had gotten together. They paired up to be phone buddies. They had all lost loved ones to the violence.  Some of the dead realtives were innocent bystanders and some had been suicide bombers, husbands, and sons.  These women were amazing, finding ways to forgive the past, hoping for a peaceful future  for their families.  I've often thought if these women had been put in charge of things instead of politicians things would be settled for all to have their place and live together in peace.

I never found out what happened to the women and I've often wondered.


I used to watch "Nightline" a lot years ago. Is Ted Koppel still on there, or is he gone? (8.00 / 4)
Just curious, because Ted Koppel made Nightline the fabulous news show that it was.

While it's true that women often take a far more dovish attitude than men and are even more likely to advocate peaceful solutions to conflicts like this, it's also true that not all women are like this, and some women, in fact, have been just about as aggressive as many men, if not moreso, once they've achieved some type of power.  The Nightline program featuring the Israeli Jewish and Palestinian women sounded like a really interesting show, recognizing the common situation that they were in; losing loved ones and friends to violence,  trying to forgive the past and to carve out a peaceful future for them and their families.  Pairing up to be telephone buddies sounds like an interesting idea, and is a first step.  Unfortunately, however, the leadership on both the Israeli jewish and Palestinian sides alike is still very poor, and that, in itself, is  a big obstacle to peace between the two peoples.  

The more things change, the more they stay the same.


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Koppel left in 2005 (9.75 / 4)
That was right around the time they changed their format and it became unwatchable IMO.

They started doing a lot of entertainment pieces and instead of having an issue or two each night that they did indepth investigation and coverage on they started doing a bunch of little short pieces on crap that wasn't news in any fashion.  I think they were trying to get the young 20 year olds with short attention spans.  It just didn't work for me anymore.  I was sad to see it go the way it did.  I used to really enjoy the show.


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Thanks for the info, Alma. (8.00 / 5)
This:

Koppel left in 2005
That was right around the time they changed their format and it became unwatchable IMO.

is really unfortunate, because Nightline used to be such an excellent program.  While Ted Koppel was rather unflappable and had a way of really putting his guests on the spot sometimes when necessary and really boring in on them, that's what really made Nightline the fabulous program that it was.  

Alma, you're right about the reasons for Nightline going downhill, and it's also true for television and radio, generally.  Most TV news today is given in sound bytes, and there's so much censorship that today's media makes absolutely positive that nobody sees or hears what's really and truly going on.  Sad, indeed.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.


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Does the pic work? (9.40 / 5)
I had a hard time finding a good one.  I like the faces because it is women who seem to lead the way for peace in most conflicts especially this one.

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I don't know (9.40 / 5)
if mplo will like it, but it brings tears to my eyes.  I think its excellent.

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it's agreed, Alma. (7.80 / 5)
Thanks.  :)

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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Thanks for the picture, Kathleen. (8.00 / 5)
it works perfectly. :)

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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Kathleen and Alma: (8.00 / 4)
Yes, the picture definitely does work.  I like it, because it reflects a certain amount of optomism that's also necessary for peace.  While it's true that women are often upfront in movements for peace in these kinds of world conflicts, it's unfortunately true, that, due to an awful lot of sexism here in the United States and throughout the world, generally, that womens' voices for peace, although often heard, very seldom, if ever, are adhered to, which is quite sad.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

You are right Miki.......... yet (9.40 / 5)
we are one half of the population and have influence over our sons, brothers, fathers and husbands.

There is power in that if we wish to acknowledge it and act.

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Thanks, Kathleen. (8.00 / 4)
You're right on that count.  Timidity does often prevent people from acting and/or standing up for what's right.  The Kucinich cave-in was an excellent example of that.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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You sure got that right (9.40 / 5)
It's such a darn shame that they don't get the attention that they deserve.

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Thanks, Alma. (8.00 / 5)
You're also right on target.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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beautiful essay, Miki... (9.75 / 4)
thanks for sharing what's in your heart. I agree with you on so many levels.

It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Thoreau ... and, do no harm

Thanks for your compliment, newpioneer. (8.00 / 5)
You're welcome.  Glad I was able to put some encouragement into everybody's hearts today.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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Hey Miki, (9.17 / 6)
I gotta say, this is a nicely done and well-balanced piece.

I disagree about the eastern section of Jerusalem, but we can agree to disagree on that.

I do agree that Israel needs to withdraw from most of the WB, tho.  Well, actually, it already has withdrawn from most of it as the PA has taken control of many areas formerly administered by Israel... but Israel still needs to declare its final borders and move its troops behind those borders.

Peace to you, please, dear lady.

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we really can... (9.17 / 6)
have a civil dialogue here! agree, disagree, respect and lots of love. I feel so enriched by both essays on this emotional subject. thanks Miki and Karma

It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Thoreau ... and, do no harm

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Hi, newpioneer. You're quite welcome. (8.00 / 5)
It's agreed;  a civil dialogue involving agreeing and disagreeing on a very emotional topic such as this is possible.  That's what a true-blue democracy is about.  Glad to have helped enrich and encourage another poster (and other posters, too), here on firefly-dreaming.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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I think (9.20 / 5)
its firefly magic.  :)

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I think you're right! (9.40 / 5)
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It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Thoreau ... and, do no harm

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Me too, newpioneer! (8.00 / 5)
:)

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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Right on, Alma! (8.00 / 5)
could be!

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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Thank you for your compliments, Karmafish. (8.00 / 6)
It's okay for us to  agree to disagree about East Jerusalem,  and to agree on Israel's need to pull her troops and rightwing settlers back from the West Bank, East Jerusalem and Gaza Strip, after the negotiations of Israel's final borders.  

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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just made the pic a bit smaller... (9.40 / 5)
that way it doesn't "bleed" over into the sidebar. hope it's ok

It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Thoreau ... and, do no harm

'Morning, newpioneer! (8.00 / 5)
Making the picture a little bit smaller was perfect.  Thanks, newpioneer.  

How're you doing, btw?

The more things change, the more they stay the same.


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doin' OK (10.33 / 3)
thanks so much for asking, my friend. how are your efforts going to connect with your new baby? hope all's well with you, Miki

It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Thoreau ... and, do no harm

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Hello again, newpioneer. Thanks! (8.00 / 4)
  You're welcome.  Glad you're doing well.  

I just paid a visit to Bird and Reptile Connection pet store yesterday.  The baby Timneh African Grey Parrots (which they're only getting two of) are presently only four weeks old, and won't be in the pet store until sometime next month.
They presently have a ten-year-old Timneh African Grey named Mango who was brought into the store by his original owner, who's quite sick and therefore no longer able to care for the parrot, but I interacted with Mango somewhat, by talking to him, and even gave him afew "scritches" to the back of the neck while he was inside the cage (birds like that, btw), which gave me an idea what Timnehs are like.  There are also three baby Congo African Greys, one of which sold yesterday, which are considerably bigger and somewhat more high-strung than the Timneh Greys.  Was glad to have gone to the store, because I've now got an idea of what I'll be doing when I get my Timneh Grey.  

Thanks for asking, newpioneer.  All the best of luck to you and yours.    

The more things change, the more they stay the same.


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just so you know.... (9.75 / 4)
someone from Ukraine looked in this morning & read this post.

"Indeed, if a poor man will spend a year in prison for stealing out of hunger,
how high would the gallows need to be to hang the rich man?"
~The Patrician in 'Snuff' by Terry Pratchett



wonderful... (9.40 / 5)
firefly magic sure is spreadin' far and wide ~ love it! it won't be long before one of our far off visitors will sign up and join the glow! have I told ya lately how proud I am of ya for all your efforts, Ria?  

It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Thoreau ... and, do no harm

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have i (9.40 / 5)
told you how proud i am to have wondrous friends??
(^.^)

"Indeed, if a poor man will spend a year in prison for stealing out of hunger,
how high would the gallows need to be to hang the rich man?"
~The Patrician in 'Snuff' by Terry Pratchett



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you let me know... (9.40 / 5)
everyday, Ria. and my life is wondrous for it. you know what you've done for me and J... and I won't diminish any of it by airing even clean laundry here ... so just know that I love you (and all these wondrous fireflies so close to my heart)

It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Thoreau ... and, do no harm

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