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An Essay about my Silversmithing Work:

  

by: mplo

Thu Mar 25, 2010 at 23:17:40 PM EDT


(10am   - promoted by RiaD)

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Hi--I'm now here to write a long-promised essay about my silversmithing work, but first I'll explain a little bit of the history of Brickbottom Artists Building, as our community is named, and how it got started.  Brickbottom was the name of a workingclass neighborhood in Somerville, which is how the Brickbottom community got its name.

The Brickbottom Artists' Building, located in Somerville, a blue-collar city just outside Boston, with an urban feel to it, was started by a bunch of artists, who, having been priced out or evicted from Boston's Fort Point Channel area after it became too expensive for them, or because of developers who wanted to convert the buildings they'd resided in to office space or whatever, looked for two years until they found a building that was big enough and cheap enough.  At one point, the artists found a building down in South Boston for that purpose, which was condemned as being structurally unsound, so the artists kept looking until they found an abandoned warehouse that had belonged to the now-defunct A & P Market Stores, and had them  refurbished into artists' lofts.  I'm happy to say that I like living here, I have a studio in my apartment to do my silversmithing, a garage space down in our basement to park my car, and we're a secure community, because people watch out for each other.  

It's in a good location, because it's right within walking/biking distance to Cambridge, Brookline and downtown Boston, and, unlike Newton, Waltham, Everett, Medford, Quincy, Belmont, Watertown and Milton, and Arlington,  Somerville feels much more urban, rather than suburban.  

Now for the crux of my essay:

mplo :: An Essay about my Silversmithing Work:
I've been a silversmith for the past 22 years--since I moved into the Brickbottom Artists' building and into the condo-loft that my grandparents bought for me shortly before their passing, and that I own, on Columbus Day weekend, October 1988.  My studio is in my condo, as well as my living quarters, and I consider myself a silversmith, since I work primarily in silver, although I use other metals to accentuate the pieces that I often make.  Medium-small to small boxes and occasional jewelry with decorative designs on the tops are a favorite thing of mine to make, although I've been branching out some and doing some small hollowware, as well.

One of the techniques that I frequently use is a labor-intensive technique known as "marriage of metals", which is a very favorite technique of mine.  Originally developed in Mexico, "married metals" entails cutting the design out of different metals, hence resulting in the different colors, filing them to fit, and then silver-soldering the pieces together as one flat sheet.  18-gauge sheet metal is preferred, and all the metals must be of the same thickness.  Although the boxes and pieces of jewelry are predominantly sterling silver, I often use such metals as nickel silver, bronze, brass, copper, 14 kt yellow gold, and even nu-gold, (which is sort of gold-colored, but not really gold per se).  After grinding the excess solder off of the back of the top of the box or piece of jewelry, the piece is then shaped over a steel forming stake, or even chaser's pitch, with a rawhide or plastic mallet to prevent stretching and distortion of the design,  or cracking of the silver-soldered joints.  Construction of the entire piece itself then follows.  

Another favorite technique of mine is what's called raising.  I begin with a six-inch circle of 18 gauge silver, start by blocking it down with a sinking hammer, into a relatively shallow depression in a special wooden block,  and then, with a special steel metalsmithing hammer called a raising hammer, I raise the metal up and form my basic piece on steel forming stakes and anvils.   Annealing (reheating the piece to make the metal soft enough so it can be reworked), and then pickling it (leaving the piece in a mild natural citric acid solution to clean off any oxides or other  impurities from the metal) follows every raising workover of the metal, after smoothing out any wrinkles with a rawhide hammer, until the piece is formed.  Planishing is followed, which smooths the piece out and finalizes the shape. While some people like to planish their silversmithing pieces  until they're as sleek as the sheet that it came as, I prefer to planish my pieces only until there's an even hammered texture all over the piece, which is done by a special embossing hammer.  

This is also done with over forming stakes and annealed periodically, although, there are times when I finalize the shape by raising and/or planishing the piece over white, water-soluable wax that I melt down, put into the vessel, and then, after the wax is sufficiently hardened, but still soft and warm enough to work on, I work the piece until the wax cools down.  This often has to be done at least several times, and, boiling down, remelting the wax and then pouring it back into the vessel can be and is somewhat of an ordeal, but it's worth my piece of mind.   After the piece of holloware is finished, I heat lightly several times (using a bit of flux as an indicator in an inconspicous area of the piece) until the flux turns glassy, air-cool the piece, pickle it, and then wash it off with a special brass brush and detergent.  After the final firescale  and pickling finish (when the piece turns frosty-white all over), I use an extremely fine-grit emery paper (1500 grit) and a detergent-and -water solution to finalize the finish and expose the hammered texture.

Boxes:

A)  Small Box:  Marriage of metals, fabrication.  14 kt yellow gold and sterling silver.

silver work

B) Medium-sized Box:  Marriage of metals, fabrication:  Sterling silver & copper

silver work

C)  Medium-small box:  Marriage of Metals, fabrication;  Sterling & nickel Silver.

silver work

D)  Small Box:  Marriage of Metals, scoring, fabrication;  Sterling & Nickel Silver:

silver work

E)  Medium Box:  Marriage of Metals, fabrication;  Sterling and Nickel Silver

silver work

Hollowware:

A)  Bowl:  Sterling Silver.  Raised, Hammer-textured, fabricated, firescale finish.

silver work

B)  Medium-sized box:  Sterling Silver.  Raised, hammer-textured, fabricated, firescale finish.

silver work

I think, although I've sent more than this, that this is what I'll have put in for now.  Thanks, RiaD, for helping me out.

Jewelry:

A)  Small pendant;  Sterling & nickel Silver.  married metals, fabrication, sterling silver snake chain.

silver work

B)  Medium-sized Pendant;  Sterling Silver & Copper;  Married metals, fabrication,  sterling silver snake chain.

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mplo's tip jar, plus an afterthought: (8.00 / 9)
Please note:  I was hoping to create enough space between the descriptions of the pieces of my work in my essay to put photographs below each description of each piece.  Here's hoping that it'll work out.

thanks for the suggestion, RiaD.  :)

The more things change, the more they stay the same.


what a great essay, Miki! (7.17 / 6)
I'm fascinated by what you do, thank you for sharing what must be an important part of who you are - an artist! now I really can't wait to see the pictures!!

It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Thoreau ... and, do no harm

Thanks, newpioneer, (8.00 / 6)
for the warmhearted compliments and the encouragement.  

RiaD;  if you're listening, here are three more things that I forgot to add:

Jewelry:

A)  Small pendant;  Sterling & nickel Silver.  married metals, fabrication, sterling silver snake chain.

B)  Medium-sized Pendant;  Sterling Silver & Copper;  Married metals, fabrication, snake chain.

C)  Ring;  Sterling silver, 14 kt gold.  Married metals, fabrication.



The more things change, the more they stay the same.


[ Parent ]
Miki: You still have time to add them. (7.17 / 6)
You can't delete the comment, but you can still edit the diary to include them so that when Ria gets a chance, she can add the jewelry pics right into the main text.

Like newp, I'm looking forward to seeing the pics very much.  I don't know anything about metalwork, really, so much of what you've written is completely over my head: but I can't wait to see pics of your work!

One thought:  Next time you do a piece, take photos at every stage in its development.  You can then describe the process and show us the pics as you go along, so that dummies like me can get a handle on the process through both visuals and your words.  Pioneer Woman does this with recipes at her blog (there's a link to it in the sidebar "sites we like" here)...although she's done "how to chop an onion" so often, I think she's given up on that one as too repetitive, lol!

But most of us already know how to chop an onion, and we do it the exact same way PW does.  Very few of us know anything about silversmithing: a step-by-step post showing how you work with the metal would be fascinating, I think.

English usage is sometimes more than mere taste, judgment and education - sometimes it's sheer luck, like getting across the street.
E. B. White  


[ Parent ]
Good morning, Youff! Thanks for the suggestion. (8.00 / 6)
I'll edit the diary and add on the jewelry.  Taking pictures of my pieces at various stages of the processes that I employ sounds like a wonderful idea!  Although it's a little bit late to do that with a couple of the pieces that I'm doing, it's something to think about for next time.  Right now,  I'm in the process of creating a birthday present for my mom (her birthday's this Sunday)  (it's a secret)..and I'm still not done with it, so I could charge up my camera's batteries and take a picture...maybe.  Today's shaping up to be a rainy day in Boston and the Bay State, so I'll be inside more than usual, I think.  

Regarding chopping an onion:  I'm one of the few firefly-dreamers who really doesn't know how to chop or dice an onion into fine square pieces.  I never learned, really, and efforts on my part to do so have failed.  However, I get by.  The onion gets chopped into bigger, cruder pieces, but that's me.  

The more things change, the more they stay the same.


[ Parent ]
mplo (9.00 / 6)
i hope i got the pictures in the correct places!

if not please tell me what should be where.
all the pics you sent had numbers... that may be easier to identify them than descriptions
to change, for example: silver box C = 0050508-R1-E023

i'm sorry but i have NO picture of a ring :(

happy to help you out!

"Indeed, if a poor man will spend a year in prison for stealing out of hunger,
how high would the gallows need to be to hang the rich man?"
~The Patrician in 'Snuff' by Terry Pratchett



also~ (9.40 / 5)
i must go now... probably for most of the day.
my daughter & granddaughter are coming to visit.
but!
newpioneer, kathleen or alma can fix these pics for you if i messed them up.
i've labeled all the pics in the photobucket so they can easily be identified!

"Indeed, if a poor man will spend a year in prison for stealing out of hunger,
how high would the gallows need to be to hang the rich man?"
~The Patrician in 'Snuff' by Terry Pratchett



[ Parent ]
Thanks, RiaD. (8.00 / 5)
You did well.  I thought I'd sent a picture of a ring, but maybe I didn't.  Oh well...sorry about that.   You did get the pictures in the correct places.  Thanks again, RiaD.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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MIKI!!!!!! (8.00 / 6)
Your new work is beautiful!!!  Good job!!

I also love Youff's idea of you showing the process.  I would love to see from start to finish and the tools you use.  I am curious about what the sheets of silver look like and how expensive are the sheets?  Are the sheets thin enough to fold into origami birds?

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Gorgeous mplo :) (7.17 / 6)
I'm so glad you got this posted.

I've been eagerly awaiting it since you first mentioned your work.

What kind of price range is there on your work?


Hi, Alma. Thanks. (8.00 / 6)
Sorry for not getting back to you sooner on this:

The overall price range of my work is anywhere from $55.00 to $300.00, depending on whether a piece in question is a piece of jewelry, a box, or a hollowware piece.  I've got to be honest and say that a number of the photographed pieces here have been sold, but I've got other similar stuff in progress.  

The more things change, the more they stay the same.


[ Parent ]
no doubt, Miki (7.17 / 6)
how could they not be sold... they're all gorgeous.

It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Thoreau ... and, do no harm

[ Parent ]
Thanks, newpioneer. (8.00 / 5)
n/t

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

[ Parent ]
Totally agree (7.00 / 5)
I bet they go very quickly when Miki gets them to where she shows them.

[ Parent ]
Wow, they're beautiful... (7.17 / 6)
really beautiful.  Thanks so much for the essay (& thanks, Ria, for adding the pics).

English usage is sometimes more than mere taste, judgment and education - sometimes it's sheer luck, like getting across the street.
E. B. White  


absolutely beautiful, Miki (7.17 / 6)
please let me know the prices (you can email me), and when I win the lotto I'll be your best customer!

It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Thoreau ... and, do no harm

Hi, newpioneer! Thanks for your compliments and your encouragement. (8.00 / 6)
Although many of the photographed pieces that I submitted here have been sold, I've got some similar stuff in the making.  The price range of my work is generally $55.00 to around $300.00, depending on whether a piece in question is a piece of jewelry, a small or medium-sized box, or a hollow-ware piece.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

[ Parent ]
Miki (7.40 / 5)
what is a hollow-ware piece?

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Hi, Kathleen: (8.00 / 4)
A hollowware piece is a raised piece, like the bowl and the medium-sized, egg-shaped box that I displayed photographs of in this diary.  It's called that, because each piece is started with a circle of flat 18 guage sterling silver sheet, and gradually raised up into a sort of a hollow form.  

I also might add that there's silver and there's silver.   Sterling silver and Fine silver are different from each other and are not to be confused.  The differences are as follows:

A)  Fine silver is pure silver.  It's much more malleable than Sterling silver, has a higher melting point  than sterling silver, and, unlike sterling silver, doesn't really tarnish.  For the two latter reasons, it's frequently used in enameling, because the enamel, which is fired in a kiln at around 1500 degrees fahrenheit, melts at that temperature.  Because fine silver's much more malleable than silver, I've often used small amounts of it for creating bezels for cabachon stones, when I've done cabachon settings (which I haven't done in years, but that's beside the point.).  However, if I were to try to create hollow-ware pieces or any of the boxes or jewelry that I frequently make, from fine silver,  these pieces would not hold their shape..at least not for long.

B)  Sterling silver, on the other hand, is made up of 93% silver and 7% copper.  The copper within the sterling silver helps to harden and stabelize the silver, and, unlike fine silver, does tend to tarnish, because the copper comes up to the surface.  It's not suitable for enameling precisely because it tarnishes, and has a lower melting point than fine silver.
It's perfect for doing the kind of work that I do, however, and beautiful finishes and pieces can be made from it.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.


[ Parent ]
mplo (7.00 / 5)
it would probably help to add to your post an approximate size & price for each piece...

and if you have a business name & e-mail add that in too so that people who would like to contact you to order a piece could do so with little or no trouble!

i'm sorry i haven't been around much.

i wanted to quickly say i LOVE your work!
if i had ANY extra money i would be ordering a bowl from you...
or the little box under it...
both of those pieces are just stunning!
thank you for writing this...
i will read it leisurely, absorbing the details in a few days...
for now though i must skim read everything :(

"Indeed, if a poor man will spend a year in prison for stealing out of hunger,
how high would the gallows need to be to hang the rich man?"
~The Patrician in 'Snuff' by Terry Pratchett



[ Parent ]
Thank you, RiaD. (8.00 / 4)
Hi, RiaD.  Thanks for your compliments, your suggestions and encouragement.  I haven't thought of putting any ads on the internet, because I'm not sure how or where to go about it.  Most of the pieces that I've posted photos of here have been sold.  I haven't thought of making business cards either.  Those are things that I  really need to think about, RiaD.  Thanks again for the suggestions and for jogging my memory regarding ads and business cards.  

p. s.  Measuring the pieces prior to photographing them would help.  I admit that I've been negligent about that, too.  
thanks again, RiaD, for the reminder.  I seriously needed that.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.


[ Parent ]
Hey there, folks! Don't know what else to say, but (8.00 / 6)
Thanks so much for your encouragement, support, the putting up of my pictures, and your warmhearted compliments, everybody!  

:)

The more things change, the more they stay the same.


mplo (7.29 / 7)
Wow, What artistry.
Do you have a website or retail outlet where one could purchase one of your pieces?
It`s always a nice surprise to find out about another facet of the jewel you are.

[ Parent ]
Thanks, KH! (8.00 / 6)
Unfortunately, I don't have a website or retail outlet, but I'm in the process of doing more pieces that're similar to the ones that I submitted pictures of for between now and Christmas, for a holiday season artisan's co-op in our area that I'm now a member of as of last fall.  

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

[ Parent ]
Miki, after thinking about it (7.17 / 6)
and going through the pics again tonight, I think you have at least two or three separate essays -- for the future, of course.  I was looking at your work again just now, not sure which I liked better (the little boxes or the hand-hammered bowl...let's not even get into the jewelry, lol) -- they are all just amazingly gorgeous -- and since the process to create them is different, that's at least two essays right there.

So please, keep your camera's battery fired up, and when you start a new project, take a ton of pics, keeping in mind that you might want to do a photo-essay about your work when the piece is completed.

Just a thought.  I suspect we'd all be fascinated.

Oh, and onions?  I know how to chop an onion.  I can even mince it.  But most of the time I'm lazy & just make rough chunks....

English usage is sometimes more than mere taste, judgment and education - sometimes it's sheer luck, like getting across the street.
E. B. White  


Thanks again for the heads up, Youff, (8.00 / 6)
and your compliments.  Photographing future projects in the various stages of progress and doing a photo-essay about the work when the project is completed sounds like an idea that needs to be explored and whose time has come.  

It's necessary to branch out somewhat with my work in order to grow, plus hollowware is also something that I really enjoy doing.  

Regarding onions:  I, too, make rough, crude chunks most of the time when I cut onions, but, tonight, when I chopped up an onion for chile con carne, I decided to concentrate more on really dicing it into small squares.  For the most part, I succeeded, but, when I got to the last third of the onion, I ended up making rough chunks.  Unfortunately, however, I've never, ever known how to mince onions into really, really fine particles.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.


[ Parent ]
Mincing is merely a matter of practice... (7.00 / 5)
and a really good, sharp chef's knife.  Keeping that knife honed is rather a pain, but essential.  Quality counts: but you know that already, lol.

But unless you want to cook like a star chef, it doesn't matter: most people won't notice that your onions are not all uniformly chopped.

English usage is sometimes more than mere taste, judgment and education - sometimes it's sheer luck, like getting across the street.
E. B. White  


[ Parent ]
keeping...wha? (9.20 / 5)
HA! Ginsu!!  ;O)

the only things I keep finely honed these days are my japanese knives for cutting sashimi / sushi rolls and my machetes! I have to keep my sushi knives in shape, never know when my friend Keiko-san will call needing help at her sushi bar - and if I ever showed up with a ginsu she's probably stab me with it!

It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Thoreau ... and, do no harm


[ Parent ]
Heh (8.00 / 4)
I saw an old sister in law last Sunday and she was talking about how her daughter was having a time this last year trying to make a fresh cut on their xmas tree with a dull saw.  The SIL swears she got one of her ginsus out and lopped that sucker off in no time.  She said she's had them 20 years and never resharpened them.

[ Parent ]
Ginsu? LOL! (8.00 / 4)
OK, never ever bought any.  I associate them with late-night TV when I was in college.  Proto-infomercials, they were.  Those ads came on during SNL and I could never take them seriously.

Chopped off the end of the Christmas tree with a Ginsu knife?

bwahahahahaha...gurgle...bwahahahahaha!

"But wait!  There's more!"

hahahahahahahahahahaha

English usage is sometimes more than mere taste, judgment and education - sometimes it's sheer luck, like getting across the street.
E. B. White  


[ Parent ]
Oh Youff (9.40 / 5)
you have no idea.  I really miss this SIL she was so entertaining.  She's the same age as me and when she married my brother we were 18, yet she had already managed a dairy queen for 3 years put awnings on trailers for a few and used to fly hot air baloons which you steer with sand bags.  There are other things that were in riff too, but I can't think of them at the moment.  She was and is a really sweet person, but she's always had a problem with telling the truth, so you never know whats real that she says and whats not.  I really do love her though.

[ Parent ]
well... (9.75 / 4)
gotta admit I've never chopped the top off a christmas tree with 'em... but oh ye of little ginsu faith ... I had a set for years and cut darn near everything with them around the house. the cheap plastic handles broke before the blades would ever dull!

and go ahead and yuk it up, Youff! come on... you can do it, girl! at the restaurant, I got damn tired of buying $100 chef knives only to have them disappear like sock in the dryer. so off to ebay I went, and ended up getting a set of new and improved ginsu type knives, and they were one of the best purchases I ever made. when we closed the restaurant we sold everything - except all our artwork and my six-star ronco (yes, that infomerical ronco) knives, and I'm still using them today. still as sharp as the day I took them out of the box almost 2 years ago! there are a couple in the set that are straight edged, like my paring knife, but the set even came with a handy dandy little sharpener for those.  :O)


It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Thoreau ... and, do no harm


[ Parent ]
Hope yours (9.75 / 4)
last as long as my SIL's have.

She's a chef too, and makes some of the most wonderful deserts ever.


[ Parent ]
hope so too... :O) (9.00 / 3)


It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Thoreau ... and, do no harm

[ Parent ]
Me too! :) (8.00 / 3)
Any of your MIL's dessert recipes to share with us, Alma?

;P

The more things change, the more they stay the same.


[ Parent ]
Nope (5.67 / 3)
She's never given me any recipes.  And I don't see her much now, once or twice every year or so.  She and my brother got divorced in about 1984.

[ Parent ]
Oh gee! (8.00 / 3)
She and my brother got divorced in about 1984.

Sorry to hear about that.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.


[ Parent ]
PS: Besides, SOME of us (8.80 / 5)
like to bite into a piece of nicely caramelized onion.  The minced bits tend to completely disappear -- meld -- into the final dish in something like chili or beef stew.

That disappearing act on the part of the onion is not necessarily a bad thing -- it adds flavor to the overall dish -- but it deprives us of the opportunity to bite into a nice, sweet chunk of onion.

Y'know?

English usage is sometimes more than mere taste, judgment and education - sometimes it's sheer luck, like getting across the street.
E. B. White  


[ Parent ]
Good point there, Youff!! (8.00 / 5)
I actually love good-sized chunks of onion, be it in a pasta sauce, chili con carne, bouillabase, or any kind of stew or stroganoff.  Mmmmmmmmm!  Yummmmm!

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

[ Parent ]
I have just one piece of silver. (8.57 / 7)
I did not make it but I'm very fond of this possession. It is not even original but a reproduction of a serving platter made by Louis Comfort Tiffany that the Metropolitan Museum made a limited edition copy of about twenty-five years ago.

That Iris often lowers my blood pressure.

Thank you mplo.


Hi, Eddie C. You're welcome. (8.00 / 6)
Thanks for posting the picture of the silver tray with the iris engraved or etched into it!  It's beautiful, and I'm sure it does lower your blood pressure, as it would anybody's!


The more things change, the more they stay the same.

[ Parent ]
Love your work mplo! (8.43 / 7)
Especially your marriage of metals technique.
Kind of a "marquetry for silversmiths".
:*)

Oh, and if you're ever looking for another place to sell your stuff,
check out etsy.com if you haven't already.
A friend's wife, a jewelry maker, told me about them, and I just thought
I'd pass it along.
All handcrafted items only.


Hey...Thanks, Carpunder! :) (8.00 / 7)
Are you a woodworker, by any chance?  Just curious, because you mentioned the term "marquetry", which is a beautiful technique.  Having seen marquetry done by one of the guys in our woodworking department where I went to school, I think this, in reference to the "marriage of metals" technique that I love using:

Kind of a "marquetry for silversmiths".

is another way to put it, although that never crossed my mind.

I also recognize the link of the website that you posted.  Thanks for passing it along and sharing it with me and everybody else.  It's a huge site, which can't be looked at all at one time, but I've kind of started looking at it.  

Thanks again, Carpunder, for your compliments and suggestions.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.


[ Parent ]
carpunder.... (7.29 / 7)
i would love for you to do a post on your fabulous bowls....

"Indeed, if a poor man will spend a year in prison for stealing out of hunger,
how high would the gallows need to be to hang the rich man?"
~The Patrician in 'Snuff' by Terry Pratchett



[ Parent ]
Holy Cow! (8.75 / 4)
I've been hearing about your work for years, Miki. I'm glad to finally see it. Really, really gorgeous.  

"Bush is a sociopath. We're all on the verge of Armageddon, but you know what makes it all better? Snuggling." ~ Patton Oswalt

Thank you, Curmudgette. :) (8.00 / 2)
 Good to see you here.  How're you doing?  

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

[ Parent ]
Craigslist Vancouver (8.50 / 2)
interesting post.you write very well about your silversmiths work.these pictures are so good.you put good effort to do this work.thanks for update.
Craigslist Vancouver

welcome to firefly craigslista2z (3.00 / 1)
You are right Miki is very talented.
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Hi, Kathleen! (0.00 / 0)
Thanks very much for your compliments, also.  

Good to see you posting here again.  I know I'm late in responding, but here I am.  

The more things change, the more they stay the same.


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