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On My Last Weekend, Or, Wanna Save A Few Trillion On Health Care?

  

by: fake consultant

Sun Jul 24, 2011 at 08:31:06 AM EDT


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So I disappeared for a full week, right in the middle of what should have been a busy writing schedule, and I have to claim some "personal days" to cover the time we missed here at the blog - but it won't be time entirely wasted.

Instead, I'm going to jump into my own personal life for today's story, and I'm going to do it so that we can stimulate some thinking about where we really need to go to if we ever hope to make some sense out of the crazy way we deliver health care in this country.

Since this appears to be the weekend that a lot of decisions are either going to be made about the future of our "social safety net"...or they wont; we're entirely unsure...let's talk about how it actually works for a lot of us - and how it could work a lot better.

fake consultant :: On My Last Weekend, Or, Wanna Save A Few Trillion On Health Care?
But the worst part of the Industrial Revolution - and the part that has never been documented - is what happened to the role of managers. The owners of factories realized they needed a layer of insulation between themselves and the people they were exploiting. They needed the type of people who were incapable of understanding the workers' pleas for common sense, decency, and safe working conditions. The owners wisely chose managers for these roles.

--Scott Adams, from the book "Dogbert's Top Secret Management Handbook"

So as most of you know, I am a blogger, and that means, for better or worse, that this is how I'm trying to make a living - and as a result I, along with about 50,000,000 other Americans, find myself on the DGS Health Plan (never heard of DGS? It's the "Don't Get Sick" Health Plan).

So what do I do? The same as a lot of you: I don't get sick.

And up 'til now, it's worked out surprisingly well, even though I weigh more than I should and I have a coke addiction that can see me consuming as much as 2 liters in a single day...but by last Friday I had one of those tooth twinges building up that you know is not going to end up well.

By Friday night things were getting bad enough that I had to tell The Girlfriend that we were very likely to be going to an Emergency Room, if not that night, certainly by morning - unless things cleared up on their own, which, if you're an optimist, could happen.

So much for optimism.

Midday Saturday we're in downtown Seattle and I'm waiting in line to be seen by an intake clerk, then a triage nurse, and then a financial counselor, because there's no way I can really take on a big medical bill.

I'm lucky that Washington State has a "Charity Care Law"; that law requires Washington's hospitals to accept all comers at the Emergency Room, regardless of ability to pay - and there's been a considerable increase in demand over the past four years.

(The Department of Health reports that $591 million in such care was provided in '07, and in the last year for which numbers are available, '09, the same cost had run up to $846 million; that's a 43% jump in just two years. The odds are pretty good that the '10 and '11 numbers will also show an increase that's well above the rate of inflation.)

Anyway, after that they showed me to a sort of mini-Emergency Room facility, I was examined by a Medical Student and his Instructor, and they decided that maybe a CAT scan would be a good idea, just to determine exactly how badly and how widespread this infection might be.

I rode the ride, an assessment was made, and it time to offer up my various elbows to my Medical Student, which left me with a couple of bruises that are still healing, and him with a couple of experience points.

More assessment followed the return of the lab results; as a result I was given a prescription of a rather unpleasant antibiotic that I'll be taking for a few more days, but all in all, for me, things worked out pretty well.

That said...imagine if I lived in Canada.

First thing, I waited longer than I should have with this infection, and if I had a General Practitioner with whom I had an ongoing relationship, I would have gone there at least a day sooner.

That delay imposed a few costs: I had that CAT scan, took up ER time and a mini-ER suite; instead I could have made an office visit, and probably walked out with a prescription for the same antibiotic with a quick exam or just a blood test.

There is no financial counselor in Canadian healthcare - instead, you present your Provincial insurance card, and that's that. For those not aware, Canadian healthcare, for the most part, works like American care, except there's only one insurance company, and that's each Province; they also collect taxes to fund the services.

That means providers only deal with one insurer, and all of that cuts a lot of administrative expenses out of the system. It also means patients never have to worry about whether their provider will be "in the network".

(Fun Fact: bankruptcy is now a big part of the American medical system. In 1981 8% of bankruptcies were related to medical costs, but by 2007 that number appears to have grown to 62%, all this according to the Journal of the American Medical Association. Three-quarters of that 62% had medical insurance.

Canada does not have a medical bankruptcy problem of statistical significance.)

When you add all this together, it begins to explain how it's possible that Canada can insure all their people for about 11% of their 2009 Gross Domestic Product (GDP) when we pay about 17% of GDP and still leave a huge portion of the population either completely uninsured or unable to pay for care even if they have insurance, due to what won't be covered when the bill comes in at the end of the month.

(Fun Fact #2: Sweden, Switzerland, France, Germany, Iceland - in fact, any country that you can name on the face of the Earth - pays less than we do for their health care.

By a lot.

When it comes to the cost of health care, the USA is #1.)

So it's not all skittles and beer, up there in Canada. You might have to wait a while to get some types of care, and it appears that there's an element of "rationing by waiting period", which is a constant source of complaints up there. (The counterargument is that rationing of some sort is required in any medical insurance scheme; otherwise, you'll have folks at the doctor's for no reason at all, and that'll quickly drive a system broke.)

There are co-pays, for some services, and no coverage for others, depending on your Province, (nonemergency dental and vision are often not covered) and that can lead to some out-of-pocket, but for the most part taxes cover the bills.

And just as we in the USA are struggling to pay for medical care, so is everyone else: controlling medical costs are hard, for a variety of reasons, including the cost of paying medical professionals to do work in a dangerous environment that can often be hard to automate.

Dangerous, you say?

In healthcare, back injuries, frequently caused by overexertion, occur at a very high rate. Healthcare industry workers sustain 4.5 times more overexertion injuries than any other type of worker...According to national statistics, six of the top 10 professions at greatest risk for back injury are: nurse's aides, licensed practical nurses, registered nurses, health aides, radiology technicians, and physical therapists.

So the other reason I'm having this conversation today is because I was having a talk with a very nice gentleman just about 48 hours ago who is a bit more Conservative politically than I, and he wondered how I felt about "Obamacare" (formally known as the Affordable Health Care Act).

I'm not a big fan of that plan, I'm not, and that's because I'd much rather do something like expand Medicare to everyone, or "go all Canada"; either choice seems simpler and easier and doable at far lower administrative costs than any plan that relies on private insurers, as the Affordable Health Care Act does.

So there you go: that's how I spent the weekend, and a couple of days after to boot, and if we were living in Canada I could have had the same problem, but it would have cost the healthcare system a whole lot less money - and when everyone gathered at the White House today, I wish that's what they had been talking about.


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so the way i figure it... (15.40 / 5)
...your state would save more money by adopting a single-payer system if you have a larger percentage of uninsured, and here's where you can find out the percentage of uninsured in your state.

"Silence becomes cowardice when occasion demands speaking out the whole truth and acting accordingly" --mahatmas gandhi  

My son (11.00 / 4)
still owes a big emergency bill from a few years ago.  And he hasn't worked for several years so he has no assets at all.

If the IRS hadn't hadn't jerked his chain around on when they could get a letter out saying he hadn't reported any income the previous year the hospital board would have probably approved paying for it out of a fund they have.  But the IRS was busy sending out those, I believe $100 (may have been $300) bonus buck checks from the Bush administration, and wouldn't send him the paperwork for months and he missed the time limit from when he got the hospital papers to fill out.  My sons still getting calls from collection agencies and last time it was a law office calling.


our canadian friends... (11.00 / 3)
...pay for this stuff with a series of sales taxes - which is as regressive as it gets and drives all kinds of business to towns like detroit and blaine, washington - but more than 90% of canada's medical bills are taxpayer-funded, and that means virtually no one gets calls demanding payment for anything.

this may change as the "private pay" parallel system either expands in canada - or it doesn't - and that's something that will bear watching over time.

"Silence becomes cowardice when occasion demands speaking out the whole truth and acting accordingly" --mahatmas gandhi  


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My dad (14.33 / 3)
went over to Canada (back in the 70's I believe) for hernia surgery.  We are only about a half hour from the Ambassador Bridge going between Detroit and Ontario.  

The hospital over there specialized in hernia surgery and dad had 2 needing repair.  When he had hernia surgery over here before for a previous hernia the recovery time was weeks so he decided to try over there where they get you up on your feet and out of the hospital right away.  He came home either the day of the surgery or the next day. He was able to go back to work as a pipefitter in like a week.  The difference was amazing.


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I'm on the "Don't Get Sick" plan... (13.40 / 5)
but when I had a dental emergency a couple of years ago, and had to pay out of pocket [which I could ill afford -- but my cheek looked like a chipmunk's & I had to fork it over] I told the dentist that "Penicillin works great!" & since it does, for me anyway, that's what he prescribed.

I walked to the pharmacy & got there before it closed, and the pharmacist signed me up for their discount program: the penicillin cost almost a third of what it would have if she hadn't signed me up for one of those stupid discount cards.

I could have done w/out the painkillers, though.  They were also discounted: but I really didn't need them.  Aspirin or ibuprophen would have worked.  What I really needed was the penicillin -- and then the tooth extraction.  Which the local shelter's dental service did for me b/c I am low-income.

The really stupid part?  This all happened over a major holiday weekend (Christmas-to-New-Year's) and I did NOT need to see a dentist at all that day:  but you can't write your own prescription for penicillin, even when you know that's what you need to bring the swelling down.

Few dentists will do the extraction until the swelling goes down: you have to see the dentist sooner rather than later: but you really don't need one when your cheek is a chipmunk...you need to see one when your cheek looks normal again.  All you need as a chipmunk is the antibiotic.

English usage is sometimes more than mere taste, judgment and education - sometimes it's sheer luck, like getting across the street.
E. B. White  


couple thoughts about antibiotics: (12.00 / 5)
--i worry, on a meta level, about antibiotics overuse and resistant bacteria, especially since we're beginning to run out of antibiotics for some diseases, so i have to bring that to light, i feel, if we're going to talk about making access to antibiotics easier.

maybe an over-the-counter situation where you buy from the pharmacy counter and have to have a prescription after one course, or if you've had other courses in the previous 12 months?

--speaking of resistance: using penicillin for a toothache can get you all fixed up and on your way...but if you go to the gym and get yourself a bit of mrsa...well, that's a resistant bacillus, and penicillin would be a waste of time.

--in my case, we were unsure if we could even use oral antibiotics; the reason for the cat scan was to see if there was jaw involvement, and if there had been then we would have moved on to iv antibiotics.

so, thinking about these last couple of points...if you're self-prescribing, you need to have some way to get at some kind of decision process, and you would have to figure out how to communicate to folks what antibiotics to use for what infections and when oral drugs are contraindicated.

"Silence becomes cowardice when occasion demands speaking out the whole truth and acting accordingly" --mahatmas gandhi  


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You've made some good points regarding antibiotics, fake consultant, and about the realization that they must be used with care. (14.60 / 5)
However, it's also true that one main reason that the "superbugs" (antibiotic-resistant bacteria) developed is because far too many people used prescribed antibiotics inappropriately.  When an antibiotic is prescribed for a bacterial infection of some sort or other x times per day for a certain number of days, the patient is supposed to take the prescribed antibiotic every single day, exactly as directed by their physician, even when the symptoms  go away,  until the medication is all used up, to make positive that the infection for which the antibiotic was prescribed doesn't come back.  The last few doses are the most important, especially since some of the bacteria that cause the infection are tougher than others.  

Unfortunately, far too many people took their antibiotics only until their symptoms went away,  then stopped taking the antibiotics, only to have the symptoms re-emerge, at which point, the patients resumed taking the same antibiotics they'd been prescribed earlier. This, imo, is a poor practice, because that's often how and why "superbugs" were created.  One must never, ever do that.  

The more things change, the more they stay the same.


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you are exactly correct... (15.00 / 5)
...when you make this point, but because this issue is so widespread i suspect that the problem would occur with similar frequency in either a self-prescribing or a physician-prescribed environment; because of all that i didn't really address this issue as something that would be a unique concern if we allowed folks to go to the pharmacy and do their own "antibioticing", for want of a better word.

but all that said, not finishing out the course of antibiotics is a huge, huge, problem, and as you note, it is a major reason why bugs become resistant bugs.

let's not forget, however, that bacteria produce new generations so rapidly that they can avail themselves of the power of mutation in time periods that would be impossible for any other organisms other than insects and viruses, and that also plays a big role in why resistant bacteria exist.

"Silence becomes cowardice when occasion demands speaking out the whole truth and acting accordingly" --mahatmas gandhi  


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Thanks, fake consultant. (15.00 / 4)
While I'm aware that there are other factors that have definitely played a part in the creation of antibiotic-resistant "superbugs", this:

not finishing out the course of antibiotics is a huge, huge, problem, and as you note, it is a major reason why bugs become resistant bugs.

is exactly what I was pointing out.  Far too many people do that, and it's had horrific results.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.


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as of this morning... (9.33 / 3)
...i have seven pills to go, two every six hours...and that leaves me with what must be either one pill short or over, i'm not sure which.

"Silence becomes cowardice when occasion demands speaking out the whole truth and acting accordingly" --mahatmas gandhi  

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Youch! (11.00 / 1)


The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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in the end... (14.00 / 1)
...i took the last three together, and that means i don't have to take pills every six hours...and that means eight hours of uninterrupted sleep is now possible.

yay!

"Silence becomes cowardice when occasion demands speaking out the whole truth and acting accordingly" --mahatmas gandhi  


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Glad you're able to get 8 hours of uninterrupted sleep after taking the last 3 pills together. (0.00 / 0)
Just one question, however:  Are your medications the kind of medications that enable one to do that?  Just curious, because many doctors and pharmacists warn against taking too many dosages of a given medicine or medicines at a time.  

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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erm... (10.25 / 4)
My cheek was growing from where I live to Ohio.  NOT taking antibiotics wasn't an option: even I knew I had a major infection.

It can spread to your brain, y'know.  And kill you.

There are much stronger antibiotics than penicillin...they kill all the bacteria in your body, including the good ones in your digestive tract.

I didn't want to take one of those.

The dentist kind of looked happy when I said, "Penicillin works GREAT!"

I don't take antibiotics for every little thing: sore throat?  cough drops.  Cold/flu?  Hot buttered rum.

Cheek as big as my elbow?  Yeah, for that I want antibiotics.

English usage is sometimes more than mere taste, judgment and education - sometimes it's sheer luck, like getting across the street.
E. B. White  


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that's exactly what drove me to the hospital... (14.00 / 4)
...and while i was hoping for penicillin, they did "kick it up a notch".

The Girlfriend can't use penicillin, and if she needs something it's often exotic and correspondingly expensive; i was lucky to get out for $15 at costco.

"Silence becomes cowardice when occasion demands speaking out the whole truth and acting accordingly" --mahatmas gandhi  


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The "don't get sick" plan; (13.80 / 5)
Doesn't that sound like what a lot of people here in the United States are on?  Isn't that the United States healthcare plan, generally?  

Sorry you had to go through that, Youff, but glad you were able to get the necessary tooth extraction and medication through a discount.  Having things like that happen over the holiday period is especially unnerving.  

The more things change, the more they stay the same.


[ Parent ]
about 20% of us... (13.40 / 5)
...have no formal coverage at all; it appears that another 20% of us have some sort of insurance coverage but we can't afford procedures we need because of the exclusions and limitations of those insurance policies.

"Silence becomes cowardice when occasion demands speaking out the whole truth and acting accordingly" --mahatmas gandhi  

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That is sad, indeed, fake consultant. (15.00 / 4)
20% of Americans not having formal coverage, and another 20% having inadequate coverage, imho, is far too many people with inadequate coverage, or no coverage at all.  This is especially frightening, where, even here in the Bay State, where one absolutely has to buy health insurance, over ten percent of Bay State residents have no insurance at all.  Scary as hell, too.  

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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it is indeed far too many... (13.67 / 3)
...but what makes this an even more ridiculous situation is that fixing the problem is actually at least 25% cheaper than what we're doing now - and that's if we only scale our healthcare spending down to the level of switzerland's.

single-payer saves so much money it's crazy to even imagine we're not doing it that way, and when you hear people negotiating over the future of this nation's economy, and single-payer ain't in the discussion...well, that is a successful lobbyist at work, and the us insurance industry thanks that lobbyist for their excellent work.

"Silence becomes cowardice when occasion demands speaking out the whole truth and acting accordingly" --mahatmas gandhi  


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