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is there a point to pointlessness?

  

by: pfiore8

Wed Apr 14, 2010 at 07:35:12 AM EDT


(8am - promoted by newpioneer)

There could be a point, a moment in which you look around your home. There are perhaps pictures or paintings hanging on walls. Pots and pans in the kitchen. A dozen pair of shoes and rows of hangers holding shirts and pants in a bedroom closet. Not to mention assorted potted plants. Lamps. Shades. Nicknacks. All that infrastructure. All those things . . .

Anyway. That point, that moment could happen: looking around your place and it all goes funny. It hits soft, at first, this simple thought: maybe... maybe it's all a bit ridiculous. Slightly absurd. The idea that a thing could hold value. Have meaning. Or stir memory.

It goes further. I'm in a wheel upon which I run. The wheel keeps turning because I keep running on it. I can't stop running. Actually, I don't know how to stop. Or how to get off the wheel. I don't think I'm trapped. In fact, I think I'm free. And yet, I can't get off the wheel.

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pfiore8 :: is there a point to pointlessness?
I do things and have no real insight as to why I do them. Why do I have to go to work every day? Why do I have to own a couch or a dishwasher or lots and lots of shoes. Why do I have to drive a car? Am I more entitled to these kinds of amenities than say tribespeople in Africa or Iraqis or anybody else anywhere? Do I think I'm more entitled without even being aware I'm thinking such things???

I guess, for me, issues like health care, environment, abortion, et al ... whatever... are kind of like those pictures on the wall. They are things that fill agendas, rather than rooms. But what is at the heart of any of these issues? Why are we so enthralled or entangled or enraged? Just other wheels to keep spinning? Yet, I really do think it is possible to greatly improve our lives. Through peacefulness. Motivation to transform the world based on love of it rather than fear or hatred of others.

However, I don't think solving issues, per se, can improve much for many. Take, for example, my favorite issue: health care. For whom? In a world of 7 billion plus people, for whom is that really an issue? Most of us earthlings don't have access to healthcare, not to mention just some potable water. Take, for example, the distribution of mosquito netting. Solving that one "issue" doesn't solve the complex layers of problems that include access to safe drinking water or, hey, just access to any water, fair trade, sustainable farming... and on and on and on.

For me, it comes down to finding some way to implement structural changes to our thinking...  the way we think about the world in which we live. How do we engage? Can we scale our actions and choices as they relate to and impact a world of billions of other earthlings? What are our processes? Do those processes reflect our value systems? Yeah. What are our values?

In so many ways, I've been running on that wheel to churn out cash to populate my life with stuff. I should have spent more time on the people in my life. I should have spent more time learning about the food I eat instead of accepting it blind, never understanding the suffering there. I should have been more attentive to how the oil got to my car. And the plastic in my closets. I didn't really know. I took for granted that this was normal. That it was all okay.  I just did things without really asking why or how.

I'm middle-aged and maybe caring now is just a show. I'm on my way out, so maybe it's easier to ask the young people to suffer for the choices I've made. Like I said, I have no real insight as to why I do what I do.

Anywayssssssssssss... issues. Sun spots and green house gases. Who gives a shit? The point is, how do we live on this globe? How do we do it fairly. Whether there's climate crisis or nothing but lovely green fields ahead. Good or bad. How do we decide to do this life thing. That's the question. There's the depth of it. Are we a species with limited scalable thought? Or can we plug ourselves into something broader and more ethical? Will we always allow those who behave like rats on cocaine to run our world? Will we?

Will we?


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the point... me and my arrow (11.85 / 13)


simplify... writing in the rAw

yes! (12.44 / 9)
What a great essay!  I have found myself wondering this time and time again....
It does feel like we build up ideas of what is right and normal based on other peoples ideals.  

Thank you, pfiore, for bringing this back to the front again...

So, how do we change/make things better?  Right now I am taking the approach of trying be the best person I can be to everyone I meet.  

Its not much, I know, but its a start (for me). But sometimes its so hard to do.


[ Parent ]
thanks for (13.33 / 9)
thinking about it. thanks for acting on it.

how do we do it? we have to free our way of thinking. we have to ask questions, like why do i do this or that. or why do i believe this or that?

look at what drives our decision making. and find ways to talk to those who perceive things differently.

we have to find a way to bridge divides, not alienate each other.

i don't know much more than that.


simplify... writing in the rAw


[ Parent ]
Hi, pf8 (11.00 / 8)
Great essay.

English usage is sometimes more than mere taste, judgment and education - sometimes it's sheer luck, like getting across the street.
E. B. White  


how are you doing Youff? (13.17 / 6)
i love your sig line, btw. never heard that before...

A sense of humor is just common sense, dancing.
William James  

really great!~ thanks for that.

and what is ICAWYMIISM? if i got it right?


simplify... writing in the rAw


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it's (12.50 / 6)
i couldn't agree with you more if i said it myself!

"Indeed, if a poor man will spend a year in prison for stealing out of hunger,
how high would the gallows need to be to hang the rich man?"
~The Patrician in 'Snuff' by Terry Pratchett



[ Parent ]
dank je! (14.00 / 4)
that's one i will use a lot!

simplify... writing in the rAw

[ Parent ]
o my! (14.00 / 8)
i just posted this at dd:
so many really fantastic questions...
more than i really have time this morning to answer.
i think part of the answer is that now we are aware we must share our knowledge with others...not in a beat you over the head w/this info kinda way but more a hey! didja know way.
we've gotta get away from buying so much damn stuff. & start demanding that manufacturers package in recyclable containers. did you know in portland,OR 'fast' food comes in biodegradable packaging? why isn't this nationwide... worldwide?
i think many in the generation behind us get it a little better. in many areas the trend is buying clothes used & competition is over who spent less!
i'd love to have this at my place. good questions need many voices in answering. besides, i miss you.

and i come here & this is smiling at me from the top of the page!
i couldn't be happier!!!!

i'm going to mull this a bit & get back to this with a fuller answer....
meanwhile, newpioneer has a global warming essay up & i see timbuk3 has an off the grid essay up(which i haven't yet looked at), both of which i think tie in with your questions.
also... theevolutionarysieve is with us...and asking the same type things.
hopefully between us we can devise solutions & spread the word!

"Indeed, if a poor man will spend a year in prison for stealing out of hunger,
how high would the gallows need to be to hang the rich man?"
~The Patrician in 'Snuff' by Terry Pratchett



can we have a "fabulous" button? (13.00 / 6)
cause that's what i'd like to hit now . . .

fabulous to the essays and that TES here!

happy to see the gha and also love the "thank you/you're welcome" thingees too.

simplify... writing in the rAw


[ Parent ]
if you really really want one (14.50 / 6)
i can put one in just for you!
we do have brilliant though.........

also- i'm sorry/that sux can be used in commiseration, not solely (or ever!) as 'your comment sux'
the fireflys have grown since you were here last... 68 members now!
(ok- lots of them hardly ever show up, but....we do have a couple dozen who do show, comment & write mostly regularly)

tell me about your new puppy...
you could do an essay on him when you get a chance!

"Indeed, if a poor man will spend a year in prison for stealing out of hunger,
how high would the gallows need to be to hang the rich man?"
~The Patrician in 'Snuff' by Terry Pratchett



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Sometimes it's extremely difficult to figure out what makes sense and what's pointless. (13.14 / 7)
I was raised up in a very, very idealistic household, where concern not only for the family, but for the rest of the world was prevalent, more so than in most families, I think.    My family tried to get me to be more idealistic and not so much into myself, which, in a number of respects, failed to work.  At least in part, due to the way in which I was hardwired together,   I was far less idealistic than the rest of my family, and  was a silent bystander when i was growing up, despite the various social movements and protests happening all around me.  

Getting closer to the subject at hand;  I can be a real pack rat when I want to be.   There are things that should be trashed, although it can be hard to figure out sometimes, especially if there are things around that one is quite sentimental about.  Not withstanding old newspapers and magazines that really should be thrown away, i'm often reluctant to throw out possessions from years ago, figuring that I'll have some use for them somehow, someday, some way.   Sometimes it turns out that they're useful, while, at other times, they clearly should be scrapped.

Sometimes I wonder if I really am a trivial person.  I have a studio/condo loft, two bicycles, a CD stereo, a decent HD television, and I'm getting a pet AFrican Grey pretty soon, plus i have enough to eat  and wear.  So, why the clutter around my house?  I don't know.  I look around my house, and I realize that I really don't have that many possessions at all.  

I often wonder what's the point in being a martyr?  What's the point of going out, sitting in the middle of a busy main thoroughfare, blocking traffic, and risking arrest, jail, beatings, or possibly worse?  Nothing, as far as I'm concerned.

What's the point of going out and standing in front of a moving metal train or bulldozer to make a point known and getting oneself killed or permanently maimed in the process?  None, as far as I'm concerned.

What good could/would I do if I ended up in jail, badly beat-up, or possibly even dead?  None, as far as I can see.

The manager of our complex, having grown up poor and in a public housing project,  sees me as a spoiled brat who has no business standing up for her rights, and who has lived down on Easy Street her whole life.  Well, insensitivity is pointless..who knows what others may have gone through during the course of their lives.



The more things change, the more they stay the same.


Thought provolking (14.55 / 11)
I absolutely love this essay!!  

This is the kind of thing I remember thinking about on all those psychedelic trips in the 70's, those were very moving and life changing experiences. The realization that we are trapped on this wheel and what is it all about?

As I care for a dieing parent I am feeling powerless to change anything now I narrow my focus to care for those around me and enjoy life as much as I can, at one point I just stop questioning and decided that it is up to me to create meaning with it all, just right here in my world.  Then I realized maybe this is all we have to do is change from within and project that change out into the world, joining hands like here at firefly.

Now when I get myself on a mountain top and I think WTF maybe I will just stay here get off this train.

 

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this song's become one of my favorites, Kathleen (13.38 / 8)
I just love it. the entire cd, where the light is, is fantastic. and I wholeheartedly agree with you...

I absolutely love this essay!!


It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Thoreau ... and, do no harm

[ Parent ]
Hand in hand good buddy!! n/t (14.80 / 5)


Bear Shake Tree Pictures, Images and Photos

[ Parent ]
:O) (13.20 / 5)
how's the packing coming along? I'm so excited and thrilled for you!!

It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Thoreau ... and, do no harm

[ Parent ]
I haven't started yet I am (13.80 / 5)
still trying to get the house ready for house guest who will be caring for mom.  Got to get the fridge filled up with anything they may need on and on.  I will reward myself with packing Friday night!!!!!  I am beside myself excited!!!

Bear Shake Tree Pictures, Images and Photos

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projecting energy (12.86 / 7)
that's it, Kathleen. we can put out our vibes... our impulses have impact!

i wish you well in this time with your parent. not easy. take care, please!

simplify... writing in the rAw


[ Parent ]
there is a man..... (14.10 / 10)
who comes walking by my house every morning......

with his dog.....

he is in his eighties and is dieing of cancer.....

he is a poet......

the depth of the human soul knows no limits......

but our minds are very finite......

our problem is we have given our souls over to the insanity of our minds......

my heart knows the way.....

today I give my body and mind to my heart......

and walk the path of warmth.....

to my souls deepening.....

it is the only way out.....

the path of the warm heart....


oh. that is so lovely an idea: (14.86 / 7)
the path of the warm heart.

it sounds right. it makes me feel good thinking on it.

thank you for it......

simplify... writing in the rAw


[ Parent ]
you may (14.60 / 5)
want to visit an essay that sieve wrote here...

the path of the warm heart

there is a synergy going on here between you, sieve, timbuk3, newpioneer's latest, edgers latest....
we are all asking the same questions, circling the same solutions i think  

"Indeed, if a poor man will spend a year in prison for stealing out of hunger,
how high would the gallows need to be to hang the rich man?"
~The Patrician in 'Snuff' by Terry Pratchett



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Pfiore, are you going Tyler Durden on us? (14.43 / 7)
Tyler says you are courageous.

"People do it everyday, they talk to themselves... they see themselves as they'd like to be, they don't have the courage you have, to just run with it."

My favorite Tyler Durden quote, since I suffer from age induced attention deficit disorder;

"No fear! No distractions! The ability to let that which does not matter truly slide!"

A few more quotes from the great character;

"You're not your job. You're not how much money you have in the bank. You're not the car you drive. You're not the contents of your wallet. You're not your fucking khakis."

"The things you own end up owning you."

"I say never be complete, I say stop being perfect, I say let... lets evolve, let the chips fall where they may."

What's it all about?

"This is your life, and it's ending one minute at a time."

And finally, but I think The Buddha came up with it first;

"It's only after we've lost everything that we're free to do anything."

"IN TYLER WE TRUST"


heh (14.86 / 7)
Only after disaster can we be resurrected.

Man, I see in fight club the strongest and smartest men who've ever lived. I see all this potential, and I see squandering. God damn it, an entire generation pumping gas, waiting tables; slaves with white collars. Advertising has us chasing cars and clothes, working jobs we hate so we can buy shit we don't need. We're the middle children of history, man. No purpose or place. We have no Great War. No Great Depression. Our Great War's a spiritual war... our Great Depression is our lives. We've all been raised on television to believe that one day we'd all be millionaires, and movie gods, and rock stars. But we won't. And we're slowly learning that fact. And we're very, very pissed off.


"Indeed, if a poor man will spend a year in prison for stealing out of hunger,
how high would the gallows need to be to hang the rich man?"
~The Patrician in 'Snuff' by Terry Pratchett



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erm... (15.00 / 6)
What happened to me?  I never wanted to be rich, just comfortable...y'know,  earning enough to pay the rent & eat out sometimes.  And occasionally buy something luxurious, like Royal Velvet towels (got mine in 1988 & they're still thick & fluffy, if a bit tattered around the edges: it does pay to buy quality if you can).

I've spent large chunks of my life without any TV (and every time the Comcast sales rep comes by I send him away: they are too expensive & evil besides).

Give me a functioning radio, functioning computer, a gas stove & a decent fridge & that's all I need.  Right now I have all of those except the radio.

The thing is, I really do need to make more money.  I'm one dropped paycheck away from penury, and the jobs situation here is not good, although we're better off than Rhode Island.

But I have never understood the generation right behind me, where it's all about getting rich.  What good is money if you're miserable at work?  If you really want to be a writer or an artist but go into law or get an MBA just for the bucks, even though you loathe it?

Why?

English usage is sometimes more than mere taste, judgment and education - sometimes it's sheer luck, like getting across the street.
E. B. White  


[ Parent ]
rAmen, Youff (14.75 / 4)
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It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Thoreau ... and, do no harm

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Super, pf8! (15.00 / 4)
I've expressed some feelings about this excellent diary, as you already aware, at DD.  So, I'll leave it for just now.

The "question marks" have grown!  :)



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