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How much oil do you use? Wondering????

  

by: Kathleen

Sun May 02, 2010 at 12:13:11 PM EDT


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I am so angry at big banks and big oil/coal I have to write about it, forgive me for raging.

Here in the Northwest we live in dread of an event like what has happened in Alaska and in the Gulf.  Our waterways was are full of oil tankers going in and out from refineries which one had an explosion just this year killing 5 people.  http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36...

Do you hear that giant sucking sound?  Well that is us little piggies at the oil tits.. but they don't make it easy to get off and I know that is by design, it is the the plan, we have been fucked!  All while they go to the bank!

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Burning questions below the fold..............

Kathleen :: How much oil do you use? Wondering????
So now watch we will have endless hearings and the oil companies will get spanked....

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But will things change? History tells us no.

At least on our rocky shores, the oil can eventually be washed down but in a wetland FOR....GET.....ABOUT.......IT!!!!!!

In the early 70's I lived in Houston, Texas (arm pit of the US) for a short time where oil companies are allowed to regulate themselves, ha ha ha.  There were fires ON THE FUCKIN' WATER of the bay where oil tankers go in and out.  I remember missing water, went to the bay and sat down only to get up with a big glob of oil on my pants.  Galveston used to be a wonderful resort town but forget about swimming in the water there because jelly fish are about the only thing that survives and they sting. Now it seems the rest of the gulf will be written off as another trash bin for greed.

How many more people have to suffer so we can have dirty energy????

So what do we do?

How can we cut oil out of our lives?

Where are the cheap cars with low gas mileage that Europeans get to buy?

PS: Wondering is firefly series for any member to write, if you have questions you want to discuss feel free!  Write a little essay, ask your questions and lets talk!!
(don't forget to  put 'wondering' in your tags too!)~Ria


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how high would the gallows need to be to hang the rich man?"
~The Patrician in 'Snuff' by Terry Pratchett



O Kathleen... (15.00 / 5)
I'm sitting here spitting mad, raging right along with you.

on friday 3 of our major banks failed here on the island, only to be gobbled up by even bigger banks...

Westernbank Puerto Rico, Mayaguez, PR with approximately $11.94 billion in assets and approximately $8.62 billion in deposits was closed. Banco Popular de Puerto Rico, San Juan, PR has agreed to assume all deposits, excluding certain brokered deposits. (PR-097-2010)

R-G Premier Bank of Puerto Rico, Hato Rey, PR with approximately $5.92 billion in assets and approximately $4.25 billion in deposits was closed. Scotiabank de Puerto Rico, San Juan, PR has agreed to assume all deposits, excluding certain brokered deposits. (PR-096-2010)

Eurobank, San Juan, PR with approximately $2.56 billion in assets and approximately $1.97 billion in deposits was closed. Oriental Bank and Trust, San Juan, PR has agreed to assume all deposits, excluding certain brokered deposits. (PR-095-2010)

this unexpected news has sent shock waves through the island, already suffering from 5 YEARS of recession - my only question is when will the powers that be finally announce what those of us battling on the front lines already know - this is a fucking depression.

and don't get me started on the ceo of goldman who's spewing his b.s. on the tv right now... can you believe the fuck actually just said on fareed zakaria gps that what his company is doing is not fraud, but actually a much needed SOCIAL SERVICE? this guy really is a rat bastard.

and there's now approximately 12.4 million gallons of oil that has spewed into the gulf... with no end in sight. and if new reports are to be believed, the "leak" is now being estimated at 100,000+ barrels per day, which is 5.5+ million gallons per day. and our governor, right along with every other "conservative" on the toobs, says that he will not change his mind about offshore drilling in PR. these folks don't give two shits about the lives impacted, or the environmental damage. they only care about the almighty oil lobby dollar. may they get what they deserve.

I have no idea how our society will turn the corner away from a completely oil dependent model, especially when the only apparent robust effort at new, clean technologies is lip service. fucking hypocrites, all of 'em. I've gotta stop or my blood pressure will get the best of me.

It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Thoreau ... and, do no harm


I hear you (15.00 / 5)
it is interesting to get the PR side of what is happening, surly the people don't agree with your politicians!!  God help us!!

Another thing that gets me when they talk about the price of gas at the pump you hardly ever hear about the true cost of us getting oil to our cars, how we pay in other ways.  I have heard that it is closer to $15 per gallon but that doesn't include the price in terms of lives spent fighting wars so we can keep sucking the tit.

Blows my mind, it leaves me wondering what more I can do, what can we change in our household to get off the tit?

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well... (15.00 / 5)
right now polls show that 46% agree with the governor, right down party lines. they belly up and start gobbling down whatever the party serves up, apparently no matter what. the mantra is privatization and decreasing oil dependency by drilling for our own. I'm having a really hard time finding compassion or respect for so many that blindly give in to ignorance and political fanaticism.

I don't know what else I can do here at home, besides finishing my wind power project, to get us off the tit. we don't buy anything imported, and rely solely on local grown, even down to our rice, beans and coffee. we use solar for heating water, but still need power to pump from the well. we have only 3 fans in the house and don't use our a/c, we don't have a dryer, I use propane to cook and bake, all our bulbs are fluorescent, and still our power bill averages $130 a month. I despise our privatized electric company almost as much as the banks.

right now we don't have the money for a hybrid car, but I guess that's something that qualifies for what more can I do? perhaps prices will come down enough to pay cash for a good used hybrid, because no matter what, I will never go back to having car payments ever again. the banks can kiss my ass. not one more penny in interest for anything. the end.

It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Thoreau ... and, do no harm


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You are right on (15.00 / 6)
about owing money that is our mantra here.  We don't buy on credit and drive used cars paying cash for them.  With this one exception when Obama had the clunker program my husband traded in one of our clunkers for the $4000 rebate on a Toyota Yaris his first brand new car.  It is his commuter car, they offered an interest free loan and he got costco pricing, when it was all said and done, it was $6000.  He will retire before we have light rail out here to Seattle.

Thank you for the link to the kos essay, that is what everyone needs to see!!

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Kathleen, (13.40 / 5)
I hope you don't mind me including this link to Haole in Hawaii's diary at kos. so many amazing creatures, beyond the human lives destroyed, will be affected by the catastrophe in the gulf.

It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Thoreau ... and, do no harm

Oh, missed it, newp! (15.00 / 4)
I love HinH's diaries: he's one of my favorites at Orange, along with Eddie, lineatus, and the pootie people.  Well, there are about a doxen or two others, also...but for pics, HinH is right up there.

Can't wait to follow that link!  Thanks!

English usage is sometimes more than mere taste, judgment and education - sometimes it's sheer luck, like getting across the street.
E. B. White  


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kathleen (15.00 / 6)
i too am enraged. i try to steer clear of news (except mishima's) because it drives me to rage against things i cannot change...

one misconception is that oil=gasoline.
oil=plastic also.
and i don't know what else... so many things that have multiplied oil usage attached to them.

one thing is the big farms that grow all that corn to produce high-fructose corn syrup that is in damn near everything. they use a bunch of oil to grow the corn (not to mention chemicals & GMO seed)...& then the processing takes tons of electricity....

in fact all food processing takes a LOT of electricity/oil

it's one of the reasons i push hard to buy local in season from farmers & cook from scratch
don't buy oranges in august... they come from thousands of miles away- costing huge amounts of oil.

use USPS instead of UPS or Fed-Ex... they run their routes everyday regardless. your sending something through USPS uses no extra oil.
to buy things in recyclable containers- preferably not plastic....

to buy cotton or linen clothing, used if possible, polyester is made partially from plastic- it's why it burns the way it does.

buy cotton or wool rugs....

in short - return to the older more sustainable way of doing things...
think about what went into each item you buy, each trip you take to the store....

and write letters to companies you do buy from, demanding a return to glass containers.



"Indeed, if a poor man will spend a year in prison for stealing out of hunger,
how high would the gallows need to be to hang the rich man?"
~The Patrician in 'Snuff' by Terry Pratchett



Ria, (11.40 / 5)
great, great comment. petroleum is everywhere, even in the fabrics we put on our backs. thanks for all the common sense things we all can do.

I don't want your head to explode... since you guys don't watch tv, this is something I've noticed over the past couple of months plastered all over tv, and makes me see red each time it airs. though many already know the real dangers of HFCS - obesity, diabetes, heart disease - these ads show just how manipulative, and evil, big ag interests are (Archer Daniels Midland, the largest producer of HFCS, and the Corn Refiners Association)... ranks right up there with "clean coal". we're living in dangerous times indeed.



It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Thoreau ... and, do no harm


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gha! (14.60 / 5)
fucking archer-daniels-midlands/monsanto....
(because it's in monsantos interests to sell this too)
fucking lying bastards....

HFCS is not the same as sugar, not nutritionally....
it may have the same amount of calories
but thats like saying 1/2 avocado is the same as a 1/2 bag of chips (or whatever) because they have the same calories... pure BS!

HFCS may be fine in moderation but it's in everydamnthing
do you know how hard it is to find juice without HFCS????
that jumex nectars i love so much has it!
so howthehell can you have it in moderation?

and the soda company jones soda that doesn't have HFCS is going out of business, or not shipping to east coast anymore....

gha!

"Indeed, if a poor man will spend a year in prison for stealing out of hunger,
how high would the gallows need to be to hang the rich man?"
~The Patrician in 'Snuff' by Terry Pratchett



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exactly right... (15.00 / 5)
the fucking lying bastards. HFCS is not the corn syrup we can find on the grocery aisle, and they are definitely not the natural fructose in fruits or honey. it's a gooey, clear liquid obtained by highly refining corn starch. and food manufacturers LOVE HFCS because of the long shelf life and dirt cheap cost. chalk another one up for the almighty pursuit of profits!

I guess it's just a horrible coincidence that obesity here has skyrocketed since the 80's when HFCS's were first introduced, huh? it can't have anything to do with the unbelievable surplus of cheap, overproduced corn (good ole' american policy and monsanto), can it?

When we ingest HFCS it goes straight to the liver, is not metabolized like sugar, and is immediately turned into fat. and HFCS does not trigger the pancreas to produce insulin - no insulin, no trigger to brain that we're full. no wonder our bodies get stuck in a vicious cycle - eating food that gets immediately stored as fat, yet we never feel full. and just like you said, Ria, it's in fucking EVERYTHING. gha!

but who needs science when we can just watch the pretty commercials...

It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Thoreau ... and, do no harm


[ Parent ]
Don't ya konw (15.00 / 3)
was meant for here.....

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[ Parent ]
It is a big concern. (14.60 / 5)
We feel so fortunate that, here in Portland, our local bakery of sandwich bread does not use HFCS at all.  But this is an exception.

Processed foods are a big problem -- and they are marketed so heavily, too.


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Ria, re: juice w/o HFCS (15.00 / 4)
Tell me the fuck about it!

See, I like grapefruit juice.  But to get the real thing (unadulterated) is a bus ride away.

On Friday, I ordered two pints of it at my local pub: I'm sure I was undercharged, but I would have paid whatever they asked to just to drink the stuff.

I hate orange juice.

But I'm starting to think I'll have to buy it anyway: I'm not going to pay bus fare just to buy a gallon of grapefruit juice every week.  (Yeah, I can go through a gallon a week by myself: I drink it with my coffee.  Then I pee a lot, lol.)

And what we sell?  And what the local Sav-A-Lot sells?

"Grapefruit juice cocktail" with -- drum roll, please -- lots of HFCS.

Disgusting.

English usage is sometimes more than mere taste, judgment and education - sometimes it's sheer luck, like getting across the street.
E. B. White  


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Youffraita:: (15.00 / 4)
Have you considered maybe buying whole grapefruits (i. e. the fruit itself) from your nearby local grocery store and then making the juice yourself, providing that you have a juice squeezer?  Just curious, because that might be your best bet.  Hope I've been of some help here.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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Pepsico has (15.00 / 4)
introduced "throwback" (hmmm...not sure that's the term they use) sodas which, I believe, use sugar instead of HFCS.

The ones we sell are 20-oz. so I don't know what other sizes are available, but it seems like people like them...they're moving.  It's Pepsi, Dr. Pepper & Mountain Dew that I know of but there might be more.

Sav-A-Lot carries two brands of spaghetti sauce.  One lists sugar/HRCS; one does not.  I always read the label b/c I hate sweet spaghetti sauce.  If HFCS is in the top ten ingredients, I don't buy it.  That doesn't make me virtuous...but it makes my taste buds happy!

Third point:  This whole thing is ridiculous anyway.  Use the fucking corn for fuel, and let us eat beet sugar.  Environmentally, it's probably the best thing anyway.

English usage is sometimes more than mere taste, judgment and education - sometimes it's sheer luck, like getting across the street.
E. B. White  


[ Parent ]
When we lived in Tucson (15.00 / 5)
we got "hecho in Mexico" Coca Cola (that's what we called it, I heard "Mom, get some hecho in Mexico when you go to Costco" ) at Costco.  It was I think around $18 for 24 bottles, glass bottles (kinda sucky, because at the time Tucson could not recycle glass -- long story for another day, but another thing that pisses me off completely).  I would let the kids have that one occasionally because it is made with cane sugar instead of HRCS.  But now we live in Alaska, and no way am I going to encourage the shipment of heavy bottles of pop from Mexico to Alaska.  Plus Anchorage does not recycle glass either, because they have no market for it -- most recycling has to be barged to WA, not enough people here.



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because, duh... (15.00 / 5)
The box of Coke had "hecho in Mexico" printed on the side of it, because it was made in Mexico.  It had a different flavor from American Coke, IIRC not quite as sweet.  The only place I have ever seen it was the Costco in Tucson.  

Really really not a good proofreader...


[ Parent ]
They have that at our Costco (15.00 / 4)
I always wondered what the deal was and why it was so expensive.  We hadn't bought any soft drinks in years but I ask someone who was buying it and they said the flavor was so worth it.

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[ Parent ]
Just saw a story today (9.00 / 4)
from yesterday's NYT, where sales of HFCS are up 50% in Mexico.

sigh

English usage is sometimes more than mere taste, judgment and education - sometimes it's sheer luck, like getting across the street.
E. B. White  


[ Parent ]
ugh (15.00 / 3)
Exporting our obesity.  Wonderful.

[ Parent ]
Pardon my ignorance, but what is HFCS? (15.00 / 4)
(shrugs)  I'm curious, even though it sounds rather nefarious and sinister to me.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

[ Parent ]
Hi Miki (14.20 / 5)
You can google HFCS and get all kinds of info but Newp gave a rightious run down of the horrors of HFCS in this thread.

I cut and paste it here.


exactly right...   (15.00 / 5)
the fucking lying bastards. HFCS is not the corn syrup we can find on the grocery aisle, and they are definitely not the natural fructose in fruits or honey. it's a gooey, clear liquid obtained by highly refining corn starch. and food manufacturers LOVE HFCS because of the long shelf life and dirt cheap cost. chalk another one up for the almighty pursuit of profits!

I guess it's just a horrible coincidence that obesity here has skyrocketed since the 80's when HFCS's were first introduced, huh? it can't have anything to do with the unbelievable surplus of cheap, overproduced corn (good ole' american policy and monsanto), can it?

When we ingest HFCS it goes straight to the liver, is not metabolized like sugar, and is immediately turned into fat. and HFCS does not trigger the pancreas to produce insulin - no insulin, no trigger to brain that we're full. no wonder our bodies get stuck in a vicious cycle - eating food that gets immediately stored as fat, yet we never feel full. and just like you said, Ria, it's in fucking EVERYTHING. gha!

but who needs science when we can just watch the pretty commercials...




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Thank you, Kathleen. (14.80 / 5)
Glad I now know what HFCS stands for.  I make a point of not buying it, and, as much of a sucker as I am for sweets (yes, folks, I am a big fan of sweets in addition to lots of other types of food), I make it a point not to have sweets that have HFCS in them.   I also make my favorite chocolate pound cake out of scratch, and only use unbleached white King Arthur Flour for that purpose.  

Thanks for all the info as to what affect HFCS has on the body and the metabolism.  Interesting!  Because, like transfats, HFSC is solely for prolonging the shelf life of many foods, it has no nutritional value, and it does more harm than good, on the long run.  Since I'm well aware of what's on TV most of the time, I very seldom watch it.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.


[ Parent ]
Isn't King Arthur the best? (15.00 / 5)
When Dad was still alive, I went through a lot of their unbleached flour, making bread & stuff.

Living alone, I really don't bother: there's a decent 100% whole-wheat sandwich bread I can buy.  But it sure was fun making bread and pizza and cinnamon buns for Dad.

English usage is sometimes more than mere taste, judgment and education - sometimes it's sheer luck, like getting across the street.
E. B. White  


[ Parent ]
Yup! (15.00 / 3)
Without a doubt, King Arthur Flour is number one!!  

In fact, I won't use any other brand.  I'm very fussy in that respect, even though I, too live alone.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.


[ Parent ]
High Fructose Corn Syrup (15.00 / 5)
sorry for the acronym without spelling it out  :o(

Production of high fructose corn syrup is a bit complex. Cornstarch originally contains very long chemical chains of pure glucose, which must first be broken down into shorter chains called polysaccharides. This is accomplished by adding an enzyme called alpha-amylase, which is derived from a bacteria.

Once the cornstarch has been broken down, a second enzyme called glucoamylase is added to the vat. Glucoamylase is derived from a fungus called Aspergillus. The continued fermentation converts the slurry into almost pure glucose.

The third step in the processing of high fructose corn syrup is the most expensive. An enzyme called glucose-isomerase is stored in tall columns and the glucose slurry is poured across the top of those columns. The enzyme converts the pure glucose into a combination of fructose and glucose, but not at the final percentages desired. A process called liquid chromatography essentially distills the syrup into 90% fructose. This concentrated fructose product is then blended back into the original mix to create the final 55% fructose, 45% glucose product called high fructose corn syrup. link

and the manufacturers of HFCS's claim that this is an all natural product. because of industry pressure, the FDA determined (july 3, 2008 - pdf warning) that it is, in fact, natural. and now the Corn Refiners Association has begun a $30 million dollar pr campaign to 'remake' the image of HFCS, making the false claims that it is the same as sugar and all natural.  oh really? HFCS can be found NOWHERE in the natural world, but is a product of manufacturing and molecular manipulation.


It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Thoreau ... and, do no harm


[ Parent ]
Thanks for the information and the heads up about High Fructose Corn Syrup, newpioneer! (12.00 / 4)
It's scary, but interesting, nonetheless.  

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

[ Parent ]
newp, are you old enough (15.00 / 4)
to remember the Better Living Through Chemistry videos?  I think most of them date to the 1950s, which means I'm not old enough either -- ;-D -- but got to see 'em in elementary school.

I think even then I was skeptical...certainly I never took chemistry.  Physics is more my thing....

English usage is sometimes more than mere taste, judgment and education - sometimes it's sheer luck, like getting across the street.
E. B. White  


[ Parent ]
Although I've never seen the "Better Living Through Chemistry" videos, (15.00 / 3)
and didn't hear about the whole thing until the early 1990's, it's turned out to be a self-fulfilling prophesy.
The people who visualized a whole generation or more of people on some sort of prescribed drugs to alter their brain chemistry and therefore their behaviour and/or personality proved to be right.  

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

[ Parent ]
no, Youff (15.00 / 2)
never saw them. I loved chem and physics in school, but never in my wildest dreams could I have imagined what corporate scientists have wreaked on our planet.

It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Thoreau ... and, do no harm

[ Parent ]
Don't ya know (15.00 / 5)
they know all of this and it is still on the market.  Makes me weep!!!  I bet it feeds cancer like crazy too.

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Thank you Ria (12.60 / 5)
you are the best!!!!  That is a great list on things to think about and do. !

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[ Parent ]
Raj Patel has written a book (15.00 / 5)
that I want to read, The Value of Nothing.  I wrote a diary about him here.  He says the real cost of a fast food hamburger is $200 -- if you count in all the hidden costs relating to how that burger is produced.  

[ Parent ]
I walk places when I can (15.00 / 7)
Unfortunately my parents decided to live in the suburbs so we use a lot of oil.  And when I do drive I drive pretty conservatively to save gas.  My parents are keeping their cars (or so they say) until a few good electric models are out.  And I'm learning stick shift so I can drive my dad's smaller car instead of my mom's van.  And some other stuff to reduce my oil consumption.

hey rossl (14.83 / 6)
good plan on the stick shift.  All our cars are sticks so my son had no choice, now he loves it!  When my husband was looking at the Yaris during the clunker rebates each lot would only have 1 or 2 sticks and the rest were automatics.  He gets 40 to 42 miles to the gal.  That is better than most hybrids and about the best you can do in the US right now.  We love it, it runs like a top, he got bare bones no automatic anything and he put his own radio and speakers in it.  It is as cute as a bug!!

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How sweet, Kathleen! (15.00 / 4)
Glad that your new car is getting such good gas mileage!  My Honda Civic gets anywhere from 36-40 miles to the gallon, depending on whether I'm doing a lot of highway driving, and/or driving around here.  With me, I need an A/C in the summer, and I like having a radio/CD player, all of which I've got in my car, plus a heater/defrosters for the winter and rainy damp weather.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

[ Parent ]
ross, my first two cars (15.00 / 5)
were stick shift & I got MUCH better mileage than my last car.  (Well, I inherited my last two cars: after Dad died, I sold his to a friend: hated driving it.  But the one I was already driving was a 4-cylinder automatic Nissan he'd bought for his by-then-deceased girlfriend.)

Anyway,  the mileage on that Nissan didn't even come close to what I got from my first car (VW Beetle, 1974) or second car (Chevy Chevette, 1979 or 1980).  Neither of my first two cars had a/c...the Nissan did, although the only time I used it was when it was pouring rain & the windshield fogged up  I could literally watch the gas gauge go towards empty on those occasions.  Otherwise: windows wide open, no matter how hot the temperature.

That Nissan was almost as much fun to drive as my stick-shift cars, but I sold it when I moved into town near all the buses.

Did you ever see the old movie The Money Pit?  I feel that way about cars, too.  I'm a renter, not an owner: and the time I spend in traffic is time I could be reading the NYT or working its crossword puzzle or otherwise engaging my mind, instead of dealing with idiot drivers, lol.

English usage is sometimes more than mere taste, judgment and education - sometimes it's sheer luck, like getting across the street.
E. B. White  


[ Parent ]
I can see where living out in the suburbs or the boonies uses up much more gasoline and oil. (15.00 / 3)
I experienced that when I was first going to college in Boston, and living at home with my family in Lincoln, MA, where I'd done most of my growing up as a kid.  Commuting into the city from those outerlying suburbs and/or boonies, whether it be by car or public transportation was often a bitch, and could be tiresome at times.  I was glad not to have to do it any longer, when I finally moved into the city.  Public transportation out to the 'burbs in our area has always been sparse and inadequate, as far as I'm concerned, especially because it would involve a 2-hour traveling time each way, due to having to change trains three times in order to get to where I was going.  Stop-and-go, bumper-to-bumper car traffic was also a problem, unless one left home precisely at the right time, and the same things, in both cases held true on the trip home.  

However, being here in the city has provided advantages for me;  I don't have to worry about not getting around in the city, even in the winter, because public transportation and the ability to hoof it is right at my fingertips.  There's much more going on in the city.  Movie theatres, etc, are within reasonable access, while in the idyllic little town I grew up in, that wasn't the case.  Plus, with rare exceptions, as the Simon and Garfunkle song goes  "Only the dead and dying are in my little old home town"  Nothing about my old home town holds anything for me any longer, although it was a nice place to grow up as a kid.  I guess I say that partly out of experience as a person who was regularly shunned and/or made fun of for all kinds of reasons, but that's another issue.

However, I've held jobs outside the city, so I've ended up going against the rush-hour traffic;  Going out of the city while the traffic was coming in, and vice versa, which isn't nearly as awful as commuting into and out of the city to and from the 'burbs during rush hours.  Yet, I can see why people move to the burbs;  they've got kids, and they want a bigger  house with a yard, and better schools.  Since I'm single, with no kids, I don't have to worry about that.

Subsequently, I use less oil than I'd use if I were living in the 'burbs or the boonies.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.


[ Parent ]
Kathleen, I don't know (13.00 / 5)
how much oil I use.  Too much, probably, but in weird ways: like too many plastic bags or stuff-packaged-in-plastic.

No car; my stove is natural gas, which the landlord pays for: and I think b/c he pays for it, it must mean the building is heated by natural gas & he's just too cheap to get the meters changed.  I try to keep my electric bill down, and although I do splurge on those weird little twisty light bulbs, I have a tendency to fall asleep with the light on (while reading), and when I can afford another radio, or find someone to fix Dad's, I will probably leave WRTI playing all night long.

Don't know how much of our power here comes from Three Mile Island or Peach Bottom.  Maybe rossl has a clue?

English usage is sometimes more than mere taste, judgment and education - sometimes it's sheer luck, like getting across the street.
E. B. White  


Youff (14.50 / 4)
you probably have one of the smallest foot prints a person can have. :o)

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Well (blushes) in all fairness (12.33 / 3)
I DO run my computer a lot.  It is not only my link to sanity, it is my only entertainment device.

So: where the electricity comes from (nuclear? oil? coal?) is a major factor in my footprint.

But, crude?  Nah.  You will get my natural-gas stove when you pry it from my cold, dead hands.

LOL!

English usage is sometimes more than mere taste, judgment and education - sometimes it's sheer luck, like getting across the street.
E. B. White  


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Oh, fuck!! (2.40 / 5)
I have to start the shit over again, because my  WHOLE, goddamn fucking post that I wrote, which was a long one, just DISAPPEARED the fuck into fucking thin air.  This pisses me off when my computer starts jerking me the hell around like this!!

Pardon my rant, folks!  This sucks.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.


I'm so sorry, Miki... (13.00 / 5)
I hate it when that happens, but you just made me spew my coffee - it was all so... err... unexpected from you!

a beautiful sunrise... a great cup a java... and a fantastic fucking rant  :O)

you'll have me chuckling all day just thinking about this - so thanks in advance for the smiles my friend!

It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Thoreau ... and, do no harm


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That's OK, newpioneer! (13.00 / 5)
Good morning, newpioneer!  Back at you for the morning chuckles.  Sorry if I made you spew your coffee and about the fact that I startled you.  
Am I to be forgiven?  (lol).  

Anyway, after I have something to eat, it's back to the drawing board for me.  (chuckle, chuckle)  Thanks for the laughs back, newpioneer.  

:)

The more things change, the more they stay the same.


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LOL! (15.00 / 5)
nothing better than starting the day with smiles and chuckles  :O)

enjoy your breakfast, and I can't wait to read what comes off your drawing board!

It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Thoreau ... and, do no harm


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Okay, folks. Sorry for the rant. I'm here to try again, so here goes: (15.00 / 5)
Good morning, everybody!  :)

Regarding my use of oil--I've admittedly never, ever considered how much oil I use, but, I assume that when I gas up my 2004 Honda Civic Hybrid once or twice a month, I assume that I'm using a certain amount of oil, especially when I drive.  Since I don't drive long distances that often,  and I  walk, bike, hoof it, or take public transportation here in the city when and wherever I can, I admittedly don't feel guilty when I use a certain amount of gas/oil to make my yearly road trip to visit relatives in the midwest, to a neighboring state or another part of the Bay State to take in a screening or even an occasional stage play of West Side Story, or to go and visit Mr. Grey down at Bird and Reptile Connection every two-three days,  to do a large grocery shopping, or  to replace the almost-empty acetelyne tank that I use for my silversmithing work, which, for all kinds of reasons,  I can't very well lug on public transportation.

Often enough, too, when I go somewhere for an errand closer by, I make a point of driving 1/2 or 1/3 of the way and walking the rest of the way to my destination.  

When I go out of the city, or when I come back really  late at night, I find that a car is not only helpful, but totally  necessary, as the places outside the city (such as out to Concord Center for long distance bike rides in the country, or, lately, down to Bird and Reptile Connection to visit Mr. Grey every two or three days), I have no choice but to drive there, because there's no public transportation going out those ways, and even if there were, public transportation in our area is often inadequate when it extends out to the suburbs and exurbs here.  Hey...if Bird and Reptile Connection were here in the city, I'd bike, hoof it, or take public transportation, but, since it's not in the city, or even that close to it, I use what I have....my car.  Not so terrible, imho.  

I think off-shore drilling for oil is disgusting as an idea, and as an action, and, I'm sorry to say, folks, the fact that this present Administration in Washington is continuing it, along with many other stupid, vicious policies by G. W. Bush and other predecessors, is positively sickening.  This Administration doesn't have the gumption to tell Israel point blank to get the hell out of Gaza, West Bank, and East Jerusalem, but that's another issue here.

Fortunately, my 2004 Honda Civic Hybrid runs on the regular gas, which is the cheapest fuel, and I buy gasoline at a Hess, Amoco, or Sunoco gas station when and wherever I can.  If they're not available, and I need gasoline, I'll resort to any of the others.  I must admit, however, that I'm thinking that I might end up hoofing it or biking to  more places here in the city, with the advent of several fires on the MBTA's (Massachusetts Bay Transit Authority) Green and Red Lines.  Pretty scary, especially since our major water main break all the way out in Weston, MA, came close in on the heels of all those fires.  One has to wonder what's really and truly going on here!  I do admit to one thing, however.  Even with its use of a certain amount of gasoline and oil, I'm more than grateful to have my car, which, btw, also runs on electric as well as gasoline, and my frequent visits to Bird and Reptile Connections will not last forever, but are temporary.  I won't have to drive down there nearly as often once Mr. Grey comes home, but I'll still make occasional trips down to Bird and Reptile Connection to purchase food, toys, or other accessories for Mr. Grey as needed, and, if I need to take him/her to the vet, or if I decide to maybe take the Grey with me when I visit Iowa one day, I'll have the car at my disposal.  

So, I don't consider myself a big oil user, despite what it may seem.  


The more things change, the more they stay the same.


Miki (15.00 / 4)
sorry you lost your first post and sorry about your water issue, is that straightened out now?

Like Youff you probably have a teeny tiny foot print with your life style.  What a great car to have!  Have you ever checked to see what mileage you get I am just curious?  

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Hi, Kathleen. (15.00 / 5)
Thanks.  I finally did make another long post, as everybody can see, but, as far as I know, our water issue hasn't been straightened out yet.  From what little I do know, however, they're working at fixing what went wrong, and, at least the "boil water" order will be a matter of days and not a matter of weeks, as had been originally predicted.  I have a very good hybrid car, which, although it doesn't get as much mileage as your new car, gets roughly 36-40 miles to the gallon, depending on how much driving on the highway  or city driving that I do.  I do know that it pays to have the hybrid, especially when I've occasionally been stuck in slow traffic, the economy mode works, and I know that my car, unlike the cars around me, isn't just idling and wasting gasoline.  

I must admit that, if I had to deal with commuting back and forth 5 days a week to and from a job, on that Southeast Expressway, I might well go insane.  Thank heavens I'm able to observe my own hours and avoid (most) of the nasty traffic jams that're frequent on that particular route, which is always crowded.

I try to keep as small a footprint as I can.  

The more things change, the more they stay the same.


[ Parent ]
Miki...when I sold my car (15.00 / 3)
and started taking the bus, I think my tension level dropped tenfold.

Instead of having to worry about keeping my car on the road in any situation (I refer here to snow and ice and downpours) I could...READ!  Do the crossword puzzle!  Hell, fall asleep if I wanted to!

Yes, I got spoiled by living in NYC for 20 years, where owning a car is not a feature...it's a bug.  Unless you're a millionaire, anyway.

But I think Kathleen is right: doesn't sound like your oil footprint is very big.

English usage is sometimes more than mere taste, judgment and education - sometimes it's sheer luck, like getting across the street.
E. B. White  


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Miki... (14.60 / 5)
I only WISH I had the vehicle you have. I wouldn't feel guilty at all having to drive absolutely everywhere I have to go. I have no choice but to drive, no public transportation at all where I live.

I agree with Kathleen, you have a teeny tiny foot print, and are light years ahead of 99% of our fellow citizens.

It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Thoreau ... and, do no harm


[ Parent ]
We're in the same boat (15.00 / 5)
No public transport, and nothing here in town to walk or bike to.  Mine and hubbys cars get about 34mpg.  The van that my son inherited only gets about 23.

I try and make most of my store trips when I pick Katie up, since its right on the way home.  But some of the stores, or parts there of, aren't open 24 hrs a day and require a separate trip.


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Alma (15.00 / 4)
34 MPG isn't bad at all that is on the higher end of the cars you can buy in the US today.  My son has a Honda CRV 1998, stick, which he needed to get up to the mountains snowboarding and I think he gets about 23-25 ish.  He car pools with a bunch of guys to school, we make him pay for his own gas so he conserves where he can.  He is very tight with is money!

I was so proud of us we parked my old beater car at a park and ride, left it (hoping someone would steal it) and took the bus to the airport when we went to Hawaii and we didn't rent a car when we were there. A real-estate agent drove us around some the rest was on bikes.

I have to rethink our lives so we can do better.

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Kathleen, I want to ask (14.33 / 3)
How old are you? but that is incredibly intrusive and rude, so I won't.

Instead, I will merely comment:  During the oil crisis in the 1970s, average cars got better mileage than most of what people own today.

And I'm not JUST talking about SUVs.

Shoot me for beating a dead horse: But it started with Reagan.  U.S. regulations were at least taking baby steps toward conservation under Carter (and even Ford and Nixon!) ...

and then came Reagan.

And the progressive era was over, and all the progress we'd made since 1940 stopped dead in its tracks.

It took 43 to bring the whole Reagan Revolution to its logical conclusion: global fiscal meltdown, environmental collapse, etc.: but Reagan started this.

If he gets his picture on any money, I swear I will set it on fire, even though I can't afford to.

M*therf*cking scumbag.

English usage is sometimes more than mere taste, judgment and education - sometimes it's sheer luck, like getting across the street.
E. B. White  


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I get so frustrated sometimes... (15.00 / 5)
it's almost hard to believe that we're really in the 21st century. instead of demonstrably moving forward towards a more sustainable future, it seems as if we're being chained to the past of continued pollution. I understand how deeply our society is bound to petroleum, I really do, it's just that the snail's pace of clean technologies is infuriating.

we just have to look to Brasil and their decision 30 years ago to convert to a bio fuel economy. it didn't happen overnight, but it did happen. and though they have proven the superiority of ethanol developed with sugar cane, our govt. still insists on using corn - the very same overproduced, over subsidized, non-regulated monsanto behemoth that brought us HCFS. sigh.

maybe I should learn Portuguese...

There are no longer any light vehicles in Brazil running on pure gasoline. Since 1976 the government made it mandatory to blend anhydrous  ethanol with gasoline, fluctuating between 10% to 22%.[14]  and requiring just a minor adjustment on regular gasoline motors. In 1993 the mandatory blend was fixed by law at 22% anhydrous ethanol (E22) by volume in the entire country, but with leeway to the Executive to set different percentages of ethanol within pre-established boundaries. In 2003 these limits were set at a minimum of 20% and a maximum of 25%.[15]  Since July 1, 2007 the mandatory blend is 25% of anhydrous ethanol and 75% gasoline or E25 blend.[16]

The Brazilian car manufacturing industry developed flexible-fuel vehicles that can run on any proportion of gasoline (E20-E25 blend) and hydrous ethanol (E100).[17] Introduced in the market in 2003, flex vehicles became a commercial success,[18] reaching a record 92.3% share of all new cars and light vehicle sales for 2009.[19] In March 2010, the cumulative production of flex-fuel cars and light commercial vehicles reached the milestone of 10 million vehicles,[20][21] and by December 2009 they represented 39% of Brazil's registered Otto cycle light motor vehicle fleet.[19] The success of "flex" vehicles, together with the mandatory E25 blend throughout the country, have allowed ethanol fuel consumption in the country to achieve a 50% market share of the gasoline-powered fleet by February 2008.[22][23] Considering diesel-powered vehicles, sugarcane ethanol represented 16.7% of the country's total energy consumption by the automotive sector in 2007.[24]  link



It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Thoreau ... and, do no harm

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we are too.... (15.00 / 3)
we're about 8-10 miles from town & an hour away from the city. there is no public transportation out here- or in town for that matter! (the whole county has only 30,000 people)
we have a van (we inherited) that is the "good" mileage vehicle. it gets about 24-26 mpg on teh highway, about 22 mpg just around here. i was wanting to trade in the van several years ago but both children needed vehicles & really had no way to afford decent ones that would last years instead of months- so they got cars & i kept the van.
mrD has a truck- he has to for his work (construction) & also we haul a lot of stuff for the farm: hay, feed ... and hauling stuff away from the farm too: junk to be sold, garbage. (we have no trash pick-up here) it gets (i think) 16-18mpg in town about 20mpg  highway.
so.
to offset the low mpg we get, we try to make our trips count.
we only go grocery shopping every two weeks & sometimes stretch it out to once a month. (with the garden coming in i can do this more regularly) we'll buy the huge size of toilet paper, detergents, shampoo, sugar, beans, flour & rice (10 or 25 lb) & many other things- then fill smaller containers as needed or jar up the extras.
and when we make the grocery trip we'll get prescriptions filled, & do any other shopping at that time. it's a day long affair between shopping & then putting everything away.
there are a couple gas station/mini-marts about 2.5 miles away that mrD goes to about twice a week for milk. one day i'd like to have a milk goat or mini-cow, but that's way in the future i think.



"Indeed, if a poor man will spend a year in prison for stealing out of hunger,
how high would the gallows need to be to hang the rich man?"
~The Patrician in 'Snuff' by Terry Pratchett



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Oh, Ria... (15.00 / 3)
Of course Mr. D needs his truck.

I like subcompact cars: not only do they get better mileage but they're much more fun to drive.  Just don't drive a 4-cylinder with the a/c running...learned that lesson in Utah in the early 1980s.  We weren't driving my Chevette, which had no a/c, we were in my friend's mother's Chevette: automatic with a/c.

Yes, it overheated.

Spent most of one day in some backwater town while the damn car got fixed.

Woulda been better off in mine, with all the windows open.

English usage is sometimes more than mere taste, judgment and education - sometimes it's sheer luck, like getting across the street.
E. B. White  


[ Parent ]
Hi there, newpioneer! (15.00 / 5)
Thanks for your warm compliments, sympathy and suppport.  

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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Shit. (14.80 / 5)
I live in Anchorage.  Just that fact right there means I probably have a big fucking footprint.  There is no way to buy local for much of the year, and when we can, it's insanely ridiculously expensive.  Can't grow anything, because a) I suck at growing things and b)the Army is not really up on big veggie gardens in family housing.

On the other hand, the stuff I can control, I never go downtown without figuring out every possible stop.  We only go to B&N when we have another reason to hit midtown.  Clump all the errands together.  We have a Honda Civic that gets great mileage -- it's a manual transmission, so I take advantage of every downhill and coast.  My favorite is a long sloping hill that's gotta be at least a half mile -- I hit the top of that and by the time I have to let the clutch out, I have gained about 20 mph.  

Our other vehicle is a Suburban, but it's 14 years old and running great, gets really not bad mpg -- I think 16 to 18 (I know, sucky, but in the greater scheme of things, there are a hell of a lot of new sedans that don't get any better mileage than that.)  I like using things up, and by keeping my old beast of a Suburban, I avoid contributing all that pollution that building a new car makes.  


Doesn't sound like you are doing too (15.00 / 3)
bad to me Joools.  How is Abe?

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Oh, man. (12.75 / 4)
We have entered the phase where Abie is no longer in serious pain YAY!!! but that means he is ready to go.  Run. Jump.  Race around and leap onto the window seat.  I am going to call the vet tomorrow and discuss puppy valium.  I think a mild sedative is the only way to get him through the recovery without him damaging his surgical site.  

Plus the little booger will not put any weight on his leg.  He's supposed to be putting a little weight on it, but everything I try, nope.  I push his hind end back and forth which should make him shift from one foot to the other, all he does is hop his hind end away from my pushing.  I pick up his other leg, he just rests his weight on me.  Another thing to discuss with the vet.

But really, it's a HUGE relief that he is not in pain any more.  I mean, I am sure it hurts, but last week he was miserable.


[ Parent ]
sounds like mr Abe (11.75 / 4)
is a ver hard headed boy!
& i can't really blame him not wanting to put weight on that leg....
it hurts!

hope the doc will give you puppy valium.... that may also make it so he's "loose" enough that you can make him put weight on his leg.

poor you!
but i just have to laugh at the image of Abe skootching his butt away from you
no doubt with a goofy grin on his face

give him a big hug from me!

"Indeed, if a poor man will spend a year in prison for stealing out of hunger,
how high would the gallows need to be to hang the rich man?"
~The Patrician in 'Snuff' by Terry Pratchett



[ Parent ]
I am relieved (14.75 / 4)
to say that tonight I did see him stepping on his foot a couple times, very gingerly but still.  Weight on the leg.  Poor baby.  It's just so hard for him, because our dogs have very free reign, usually.

Abie is very good at the big goofy grin.


[ Parent ]
doggy downers (11.00 / 5)
were my saving grace when stoopid the Lab broke her toe a couple of years ago.  She was only a little more than a year old, and there was no way to channel all that puppy energy when she wasn't supposed to be walking except for potty privileges.  With the drugs, she'd just lay around with a goofy look on her face--tongue hanging out. Pretty much her natural state these days.

BTW--it's great to see you here!  


[ Parent ]
One of the best things that Laurie and I (15.00 / 4)
have done is sell our vehicle.

Of course, we live in a city where we can get around conveniently without a car and it's simply not an option for most people.

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