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Saturday Open Thoughts

  

by: Alma

Sat Aug 21, 2010 at 01:00:00 AM EDT


I have aphids in my garden.  So instead of getting to play with my new internet service I get to de-bug my garden.

I've been soaping the leaves and washing them off with a heavy spray for the past two days and its getting the number down drastically but I'm still finding some.

I got a late start fighting them because when I first saw them I thought it was saw dust on the leaves.  The first plants to get it were right by the garbage can my hubby puts his saw dust in.

So I'm probably out washing off my plants as you read this.

Little Lollerskates is up to 32.8 ounces.  So she's gained 6 ounces from her low point.  :)

Happy Saturday!
Alma :: Saturday Open Thoughts

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Great news about Lolly -- and (15.00 / 4)
aphids are a royal bitch.  Don't suppose you have an overabundance of ladybugs?  IIRC, they eat aphids.

BTW, if the plants that have the aphids are perennials, you can just cut them to the ground:  they will grow back.  (Believe me, I know...been there, done that.)  Destroy the infested plant material somehow...I think I bagged 'em up in black garbage bags & put 'em in the trash: you sure don't want to compost them!

So you're back on Comcast now?  Excellent!  Sux that you have to deal with aphids instead of playing online, but you'll love it once the growing season is over -- or you get rid of the infestation.

What is that large bug on the plant in the photo?  It kind of reminds me of an immature (very immature) wheelbug.  I had some & loved them, and my preying mantises, b/c they took care of the Japanese beetles for me.  Not sure they eat aphids, though.

Anyway, good luck!

English usage is sometimes more than mere taste, judgment and education - sometimes it's sheer luck, like getting across the street.
E. B. White  

aphids... (15.00 / 4)
soap solution, twice a day, and rinse plant after.
if the strength you're using isn't knocking them down add a bit more soap.

you may also look into a tobacco spray. (not on tomatoes!) put your cig butts in a gallon jug. get it about 1/3 full of butts. add water. let sit in sun all day. next day strain. dilute this 4:1 & spray on plants.

like youff said LADYBUGS

i think there are also some companion plants that deter aphids, but for the life of me i can't remember what .... marigolds? peppermint? gha! i just dunno!

if you do cut back on that plant, either burn it or put it in your regular trash to be hauled off.

"Indeed, if a poor man will spend a year in prison for stealing out of hunger,
how high would the gallows need to be to hang the rich man?"
~The Patrician in 'Snuff' by Terry Pratchett


[ Parent ]
I ring my garden (15.00 / 4)
I ring my garden every year with a thick double line of marigolds. Inside that, I plant a another border of hot peppers all the way around. It really helps keeps lots o bugs away... I have had some aphids from time to time on tomato plants even with these natural defenses in place, so I can't say whether they help with aphids or not. It does seem to keep the squash bugs and stem borers away though. Basil supposedly helps keep some bugs away too, but I never plant enough of it to really tell if it makes a diff. for me.

"In proportion to the vigor of the individual, these revolutions are frequent, until in some happier mind they are incessant..." R.W.Emerson - Compensation
[ Parent ]
I ran across (15.00 / 3)
one plant that draws them really well when I was looking at how to get rid of them but I don't remember what it was since I figured I didn't have time to get something planted now that would do any good.

I'll step up the soap treatments to twice a day if needed and try the baccy mixture.  I haven't made it out to check them yet today.  Its been raining.  We've really been needing this rain too so I'm not going to complain about it.

[ Parent ]
here's an article (11.00 / 3)
i found about this & some other homemade insecticides & what they are good for...

http://www.associatedcontent.c...

they also mention using rubbing alcohol & a couple others


"Indeed, if a poor man will spend a year in prison for stealing out of hunger,
how high would the gallows need to be to hang the rich man?"
~The Patrician in 'Snuff' by Terry Pratchett


[ Parent ]
Hah (13.50 / 4)
Not cutting these to the ground.  Its my tobacco crop they've hit.

Thats some sort of ant in the picture.  They eat aphids.

Hubby has to network the computers yet so it might be a few days before I get much time on the machine.  My son sure was happy watching videos last night.  

[ Parent ]
ants (15.00 / 4)
The ants are farming the aphids. You may see them biting the wings off the aphids so they can't get away, or you may see them 'milking' their "honeydew", but they generally aren't eating them, they are farming them, much to your disadvantage...

Ants are often associated with aphid populations, especially on trees and shrubs, and often are a tip-off that an aphid infestation is present. If you see large numbers of ants climbing up your tree trunks, check for aphids (or other honeydew-producing insects) on limbs and leaves above. To protect their food source, ants ward off many predators and parasites of aphids. Management of ants is a key component of aphid management"

"The ants have been known to bite the wings off the aphids in order to stop them from getting away and depriving the ants of one of their staple foods: the sugar-rich sticky honeydew which is excreted by aphids when they eat plants. Chemicals produced in the glands of ants can also sabotage the growth of aphid wings. The new study shows, for the first time, that ants' chemical footprints -- which are already known to be used by ants to mark out their territory - also play a key role in manipulating the aphid colony, and keeping it nearby....Ants have been documented attacking and fighting off ladybirds and other predators that have tried to eat their aphids..."

"Ants protect aphid eggs during the winter, and carry the newly hatched aphids to new host plants, where the aphids feed on the leaves and the ants get a supply of honeydew."



"In proportion to the vigor of the individual, these revolutions are frequent, until in some happier mind they are incessant..." R.W.Emerson - Compensation

[ Parent ]
Yep ants do that (12.00 / 4)
Ants are really smart and do a lot of planing. I've watched them, and tried to outsmart them a time or two. But that pic isn't from my garden and I haven't found any ants by where the aphids are.  I do have ants at the other end of my garden by our crabapple tree.

I'm sorry I didn't get back to you sooner.  My power went out right after I posted to Ria this afternoon and just came back on a bit ago.  I was afraid it wasn't going to come back on in time for me to do my open thoughts for tomorrow.

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Sorry to hear your power went out! (13.25 / 4)
Hope it wasn't too uncomfortable. I hate it when power goes out. Fortunately my power has been pretty stable where I live, about a mile from an electrical substation. We lost power for five days after Katrina, and then in 2008 again for several days after a tornado. Now most of the trees between us and the substation have been ripped up and/or trimmed back to the point we don't even get the occasional falling branch on the power lines anymore...

I have been fascinated by the social insects since I was a child. I even sought out and spoke to E.O. Wilson once, considered the world's foremost authority on ants, as well as a famous biologist for other reasons. Did you know that by biomass weight, ants are the most successful species on the planet? And there are sooooo many species in extremely specialized niches, too.

Bees, wasps, hornets, ants, termites, they are all endlessly interesting and one or another or even all of them are always within a few dozen yards of where any human is located, usually even closer than that!

Glad you aren't dealing with ants on top of/in concert with the aphids! They can be unusually persistent in that combo.

"In proportion to the vigor of the individual, these revolutions are frequent, until in some happier mind they are incessant..." R.W.Emerson - Compensation

[ Parent ]
Where I do (13.50 / 4)
have the ants they keep making holes to hide their stash in, and then they stick cut grass sticking up and down in the holes and other grass clippings around it so they look like little hay stacks. I go pull the grass out and next time my son cuts grass they do it again.  All thats down in that area is the crab apple and a few bushes.  They definitly think to solve their problems.

The power outage was no big deal. Luckily the weather had cooled off and we have a generator we hook up, but we don't run the computers when we are on generator power.  We got the generator years ago when our power was off for nine days one cold Michigan February.

Katrina was/is hell for so many people.  I'm glad you weathered through it my friend.

[ Parent ]
remind me sometime and i'll tell you (10.50 / 4)
...my Katrina story. It is certainly not the worst of them, I'm 140 miles inland, but it was such a freak monster of a storm it still had a huge impact here.

Glad you've got the generator to keep you comfy!

"In proportion to the vigor of the individual, these revolutions are frequent, until in some happier mind they are incessant..." R.W.Emerson - Compensation

[ Parent ]
Just checking my comments (13.67 / 3)
at dKos for the past few days -- if I don't check my email, do you really think I keep up with replies to my comments, lol -- and ferallike asked me to spread the word, in the thread of GlowNZ's diary about the flooding in Pakistan.

ferallike said that her father, who grew up poor, donated to everything once he could afford to.  So I was wondering: should we have a link to Doctors Without Borders (Medecins Sans Frontiers) here?

Here's the permalink to GlowNZ's diary:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyo...

and the NYT reports that aid has been insufficient and insufficiently quick for the Pakistanis who have been affected: I believe there are millions at risk right now.

I may work up a diary about this over my "weekend" but for now just wanted to throw out the question of: how can we help?  I have no money; many of us here are strapped for cash, but we have computers & sites we go to.  Kos, of course, is the biggest platform of all, but outreach to other liberal blogs can't hurt.

Here's the bottom part of my exchange with ferallike: I'm not going back through all 155 comments tonight, lol!  Gotta work tomorrow & I put in almost 11 hours today.  But I did want to bring this issue here.

http://www.dailykos.com/commen...

English usage is sometimes more than mere taste, judgment and education - sometimes it's sheer luck, like getting across the street.
E. B. White  

on our firefly endorses pg (13.33 / 3)
under enlightened organizations doctors without borders is listed.

"Indeed, if a poor man will spend a year in prison for stealing out of hunger,
how high would the gallows need to be to hang the rich man?"
~The Patrician in 'Snuff' by Terry Pratchett


[ Parent ]
hoo, boy. (3.67 / 3)
My machine may have picked up a virus somewhere.

I was in one of la feminista's diaries, and she gave me a link  to  follow & I clicked on it and ended up at an Adobe agreement.  Restart computer, restart Firefox:  Adobe agreement again.  I'm running Google Chrome right now (luckily I remember my password for this site, unlike GOS, which I have been trying to get back to and log in on, if only to reply to la feminista).

Any advice?  Gotta hit the hay soon: as noted above, work tomorrow.  But this is very distressing.  I suppose I could just accept the Adobe form...I kept trying to cancel my way outta there & it wouldn't take.  I can't even find my way back to WRTI/listen live: I mean, I can, but when I did, I couldn't get it to play.  Don't know how to explain it:  Firefox just knew what I wanted, and it has all my bookmarks & all my passwords (except banking ones, y'know: I'm not that trusting.  Or stupid).

It definitely wasn't la feminista's fault:  the code she linked to matched what she meant & was a .edu place at MI.  Maybe some students playing around with the link?  I dunno.

I don't think this comment will be contagious, or I wouldn't leave it.  I am on a different browser and it's working fine.

But I miss my Firefox.  :(

English usage is sometimes more than mere taste, judgment and education - sometimes it's sheer luck, like getting across the street.
E. B. White  

i'm sorry (15.00 / 3)
i don't have a clue about that. mrD does all my virus stuff.

"Indeed, if a poor man will spend a year in prison for stealing out of hunger,
how high would the gallows need to be to hang the rich man?"
~The Patrician in 'Snuff' by Terry Pratchett


[ Parent ]
ok, try this (13.75 / 4)
If you like...

[I really think it will work for you, if I can just write clear enough instructions]

I sometimes take advantage of Firefox's crash recovery feature purposefully. Sometimes when you restart firefox after you force a crash it will literally say, "Well, this is embarassing, firefox is having trouble restoring your session" and then it provides a list of all the open windows and tabs when you crashed it. If you can get to that, you can choose not to reopen anything at all, or only reopen whatever tab(s) you might still need to bookmark.

1)restart firefox and don't click on anything, just let it do whatever its gonna do.

2)press three keys "Ctrl" left-"Shift" and "Esc" all at the same time, this will pop up your "Windows Task Manager" window.

3) In the lower left corner of the "Windows Task Manager" window, make sure the box labeled "Show processes from all users" is filled with a checkmark, if not click on it to get the checkmark.

4)in your "Windows Task Manager" window it should display a list of running processes. Find the process named "firefox.exe". You may have to scroll down through the list to find it... [If for some reason the "Processes" list isn't showing, just click on the tab across the top row inside the "Windows task manager" window that says "Processes" to display the list]

5) click on firefox.exe in the list so that it is highlighted, then click on the "end process" button in the lower right corner of the task manager window. This will pop up a message that asks if you are sure you want to kill the process. The answer is "end process". Agree by clicking on the "end process" button in the message box.

6)You have now force-crashed firefox, so you should restart it now and you will probably get the "well this is embarassing..." tab on your screen, at which point you can just close the tab on that and resume your normal browsing activities!

7) If you don't get the "well this is embarassing..." screen, let me know and I'll write out another step by step for you try something different!

Good luck!


"In proportion to the vigor of the individual, these revolutions are frequent, until in some happier mind they are incessant..." R.W.Emerson - Compensation

[ Parent ]
Actually, when I turned it on again (12.75 / 4)
this morning, I got the "well this is embarrassing" message and just hit "start new session" so I'm back in business.  But thanks!  Don't know what was going on last night.

English usage is sometimes more than mere taste, judgment and education - sometimes it's sheer luck, like getting across the street.
E. B. White  
[ Parent ]
awesome (13.75 / 4)
Glad it worked out for you!
I'm in the business and deal with this stuff all day every day (and night too...), so if you need help, I don't mind at all. I wouldn't be able to keep on doing it if it didn't give me a little thrill to fix anything that's broken!

"In proportion to the vigor of the individual, these revolutions are frequent, until in some happier mind they are incessant..." R.W.Emerson - Compensation
[ Parent ]
Looks like (15.00 / 4)
Looks like you've got some ants there, too. Something to keep the ants away would be good, because certain species of them actually tend the aphids and 'milk' them for the 'manna' they produce. The ants could be the source of the aphids. If they find one or two aphids on their foraging expeditions they will bring them closer to home and install them in convenient places where they will eat lots and reproduce quickly!

So glad to hear that Lala is doing better!

Has anyone heard from Kathleen? I've been thinking of her and her brother this morning and hope things are getting better quickly.

"In proportion to the vigor of the individual, these revolutions are frequent, until in some happier mind they are incessant..." R.W.Emerson - Compensation

it's been about a week (14.33 / 3)
maybe 10 days since i heard from kathleen...

ok. i went and looked. it was aug 13.

on that day she told me her brother is now living with them, his left side is slow in responding, physical therapy is coming 3 times/week. he also has some other health issues she is trying to get under control w/diet..... and they are still dealing with probate of their mom's estate & all the stress of that.

it might be awhile until we hear from her.
meanwhile let us all keep thinking happy thoughts for her & hers.
i'm sure she feels them.

"Indeed, if a poor man will spend a year in prison for stealing out of hunger,
how high would the gallows need to be to hang the rich man?"
~The Patrician in 'Snuff' by Terry Pratchett


[ Parent ]
Thank you for the update (13.25 / 4)
I try to send energy, healing, and protection. Being a scientist, I'm not sure how it works or if it works, but it can't hurt to try, so I do and I will. At least I have registered here my concerns and best wishes. I do feel for her - it seems such a lot to deal with all at once...

"In proportion to the vigor of the individual, these revolutions are frequent, until in some happier mind they are incessant..." R.W.Emerson - Compensation
[ Parent ]
way to go, Lala!!! (11.50 / 4)
I'm so happy for the little munchkin!

not happy about your aphids, but I bet you'll take care of 'em in short order. try 4 t. of baking soda and 2 T. of dish soap per gallon of water in your pump sprayer, and my granny swore by planting banana peels all over the garden to keep them away. and Ria's right about marigolds, they attract lots of ladybugs that feast on the aphids.

and for sat. afternoon giggles (well, not REALLY funny but I laughed my ass off...) I heard J screaming out front and then he came flying thru the door yelling, "Godzilla, Godzilla" - he was actually yelling about Dolores who was "playing" with the laundry and chasing him around the yard!!! our poor girl, all she wanted was to have some fun ripping the laundry off the line and ended up with a new name!  

It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Thoreau ... and, do no harm

Newp, that's hysterical (11.67 / 3)
I don't get the "Godzilla" reference from a horse tackling laundry & chasing someone with it, but the mental image is priceless!

English usage is sometimes more than mere taste, judgment and education - sometimes it's sheer luck, like getting across the street.
E. B. White  
[ Parent ]
heh (11.00 / 3)
she reared up a couple of times (that's the not really funny part), and thoroughly scared the shit out of him  :o/

at least he has a new found respect and has stopped treating / thinking of her as just another pet... finally he knows in his bones there's a huge difference between one of the 80 lb. dogs and a 1500 lb. mare. since Dreamer was born, she's reverted back to having a pretty shitty attitude, and still won't let Ana or Lourdes (or Juan) anywhere near our boy if she can help it. as long as I'm close by he can give Dreamer kisses and scritchins, so thank the FSM mama still loves and minds her daddy  :O)

It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Thoreau ... and, do no harm

[ Parent ]
Dreamer (11.00 / 3)
can't play with Ana anymore?  :(  I didn't know Dolores had decided Ana is a bad influence too.  She sure is possessive!

And yeah horsies can be dangerous.  Katie almost got crushed by one as a youngster.  We were at a carnival and she was on one of the ponys that are attached to a bar and they go around in circles.  There was a dumb fellow working, cleaning horse crap up from behind her horse.  The horse started going sideways toward the bar and Kate started sliding off towards the bar.  The fellow doing the clean up wasn't paying any attention.  We started yelling and jumped the little fence and the guy running the thing went running to her and we grabbed her just in time. A second later the horse hit the bar.  

[ Parent ]
damn that was a close call (13.00 / 2)
and I'm so glad Katie was ok. I love 'em, but you're exactly right, they can be dangerous. when we first got Dolores she was a handful - she's kicked and bit and head-butted me more times than I can count, until I finally gained her trust. Juan usually steers clear, but sometimes he thinks his "baby" talk works on the horses like it does the dogs and cats , and it just ain't so. plus, they instinctively know he's a bit frightened, so that doesn't help at all.

but I let Dreamer and Ana play and run and jump around every day while I've got Dolores in her stall. they really do love each other! and Lourdes is so gentle with him. I know it's only been 3 months, but hopefully mama will get over her protective aggression soon... until then, I'm the only one that can handle her, and at least Juan finally has more respect for "Godzilla"  

It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Thoreau ... and, do no harm

[ Parent ]
Finding it hilarious... (14.00 / 4)
...that an 8-month old piece of blatant, unapologetic plagiarism is currently sitting atop the rec list at dKos right now.

They could at least have used blockquotes, eh?

Ah, but as long as it's "rah, rah Obama!", I guess that's cool.

(sighing...)

Here's a 'great' comment from there, btw.

"Lefty" as a derogative.  When did dKos become RedState?

I guess the 2010 and 2012 election strategy is now hippie and liberal punching?  Oh boy, I can't wait to vote for that!

I really do have to wonder how much real life political experience these simpletons have.  Yeah okay, try to elect a Democrat without those of us on the left.  See how far you get, asshats...

Pass me a bottle, Mr. Jones...

made me cringe, Jay (15.00 / 4)
just the title of that diary had me curious as to the level of cognitive dissonance I'd find, and I sure wasn't disappointed! but what made me cringe, as you point out, was the comment using "lefty" as an insult - WTF??? the wailing and gnashing of teeth (and blaming the "lefties") come November is shaping up to be epic. gha, I hope I'm wrong...

It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Thoreau ... and, do no harm
[ Parent ]
Get ready for "triangulation"! (15.00 / 4)
Although the last time it happened, Bill Clinton actually started from a much further left position to begin with...

Yeah, kinda hard to grasp these days huh?

Can't wait to see what's in store for us when the "kick your local liberal" times really begin soon!

Waiting for the March 2012 (just in time for election season, natch) celebratory signing of a bill marking "The End Of Social Security As We Know It".

Never hoped I'd be more wrong about something in my life.  

If I am, feel free to ridicule me then.  If I'm not, I can't wait to see what the fan club comes up with to defend their guy...

Pass me a bottle, Mr. Jones...

[ Parent ]
Oh, and... (15.00 / 3)
...then there's also the fact that the "diary" contained one 'original' sentence, followed by 39 paragraphs of plagiarism.

;)

Pass me a bottle, Mr. Jones...

[ Parent ]
heh...Jay, I missed it (15.00 / 4)
and I'm not about to follow the link, either.

I try to avoid troll diaries, unless they have lots of good recipes.

English usage is sometimes more than mere taste, judgment and education - sometimes it's sheer luck, like getting across the street.
E. B. White  

[ Parent ]
PS: Just saw your comment (15.00 / 4)
in What's For Dinner? zucchini edition -- looking forward to your diary.  Please link here, OK?  Just in case I miss it at kos.

BTW, I agree with the diarist on stuffing huge zucchinis.  Back in the day, I could get Near East brand's wheat pilaf mix.  Wish I could find it around here.  Their other products are available, just not the wheat pilaf mix I crave:

http://www.neareast.com/#produ...

What we did was, we would take the giant zucchinis, cut 'em in half lengthwise, use a melon baller to remove the seeds, and bake the halves at about 350 for roughly 1/2 hour, so it was semi-cooked but not too cooked.  Then take the halves out and fill them with the cooked wheat pilaf mix which had, in the meantime, been mixed with the chopped-up, scooped-out zucchini seeds & flesh, plus crumbled feta cheese.  Mound it all in the zucchini boats and put it back in the oven until everything is cooked through and lightly browned on top, another 20-30 minutes.

It was easy, it was cheap, and it was delicious.  And while I know boxes of wheat pilaf mix are not as healthy as doing the whole thing from scratch, I have never been able to replicate this from scratch.

There are many other ways to stuff a baseball bat of a zucchini.  This is the "recipe" we loved in college, and made every year during zucchini baseball bat season.

"Recipe" b/c there never was a "recipe":  maybe 4 ounces of feta, whatever your zucchini yield from the melon baller is, combine, bake, enjoy.

English usage is sometimes more than mere taste, judgment and education - sometimes it's sheer luck, like getting across the street.
E. B. White  

[ Parent ]
ps (14.50 / 4)
i didn't see your comment in WFD but i'd love for you to post ANY (all?) of your essays here... especially cooking ones.

"Indeed, if a poor man will spend a year in prison for stealing out of hunger,
how high would the gallows need to be to hang the rich man?"
~The Patrician in 'Snuff' by Terry Pratchett


[ Parent ]
Gonna get two or three out of it... (14.00 / 4)
I'll do the WFD thing as a text dairy, since I don't remember many photos in the others (I'll stay traditional, heh); and then I'll do a separate Saturday PSU photo diary, from one of the largest (and imo, the best!) farmers' markets in the country...

I'm doing chopped liver that week, wimpy palates be damned!

;)

Heh, they should just be glad I'm not doing tacos de tripas, kishke, balls or chit'lins...

Pass me a bottle, Mr. Jones...

[ Parent ]
LOL! But PSU (11.25 / 4)
means only one thing around here:  Penn State football season approacheth!

Somehow, I don't think the fans will be cooking any of our recipes.

lmao.

English usage is sometimes more than mere taste, judgment and education - sometimes it's sheer luck, like getting across the street.
E. B. White  

[ Parent ]
P.S. I have a vague recollection (15.00 / 4)
that we precooked the hollowed-out giant zucchini upside-down, and flipped them over to be stuffed, but since I haven't made it in a while, you might want to experiment.

Damn, I'm making myself hungry for stuffed zucchini.

English usage is sometimes more than mere taste, judgment and education - sometimes it's sheer luck, like getting across the street.
E. B. White  

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